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To: ScubaDiver; Enlightened1; Safrguns; Levy78; nuconvert; Chauncey Gardiner; redgolum; V_TWIN; ...
My main issue is that I simply don't believe the statistics used by many to justify the administration and mandating of the vaccine as well as the industry shutdowns.

If mortality rate is: DIED FROM PATHOGEN / INFECTED WITH PATHOGEN and they say it is between 2-3%, I have major issues with that.

I cannot confirm it myself, but I don't trust the DIED FROM PATHOGEN number in the numerator of that fraction. Of people who died from COVID, how many actually died from the pathogen itself, rather than other medical issues or complications? I have suspicions that this number is overinflated, perhaps vastly overinflated.

So that is the numerator.

I also have serious doubts about the denominator, the INFECTED WITH PATHOGEN. I firmly believe two things: that the test itself to determine if someone is infected is inaccurate (perhaps both fundamentally and in its administration) and that we have no idea how many people have actually been infected with the virus.

In a famous case, Elon Musk got tested four times in one day, same person, same kit, with two coming back positive and two coming back negative. That tells me the test is useless.

The inaccuracy is either from the inability of the test to reliably produce results, or it is so dependent on the training of the person to administer it correctly that it is unreliable. I believe there are two tests, the Rapid Antigen Test and the PCR test. PCR test is supposed to be more reliable.) But the question is, what tests that show infection are used in the denominator of that mortality rate fraction? All PCR? All Rapid Antigen? Both? What mix? And add onto that, the likely vast number of people who were infected and felt little or no symptoms and were never tested? That would drive the denominator far, FAR higher, and make the pathogen far less lethal.

In summary, I trust the denominator value far less.

The point is, we don't know.

But apparently we know enough to shut an entire economy down and destroy it, bankrupt people and put them out of business, destroy the education of our children and drive up the drug abuse rates and suicide rates in this country, and trample the rights of citizens by unconstitutionally mandating vaccinations as is happening now.

45 posted on 07/16/2021 7:34:33 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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To: rlmorel

RE: dying with or from. Here’s an example. My county pop 24,000 with 60 deaths for the entire 1 1/2 years. St Louis county, thousands of deaths. St Louis people come here by the thousands every weekend between April and Oct for recreation and they don’t wear masks here, shop at our stores, eat at our restaurants.

My county doesn’t do the whole with covid thing but St Louis obviously does, otherwise either our numbers would be higher or theirs lower. St Louis is blue as blue can be. I think all blue areas did the same thing in 2020 to make things look as bad as possible for Trump’s upcoming election.

The inventor of the PCR test said it’s purpose was never to test people for viruses. It was for use in a lab setting for other purposes. I don’t know what they use at the nursing home my wife work at but they’ve been testing every week or two and only has a few positives. I do know they shove that extra long q-tip up the sinuses. Maybe there’s some lying going on there too.

I heard last year that fedgov was paying hospitals or states $13k per case and $39k if someone gets put on a ventilator. That was per a DR who’s a member of congress. From WY I think.

Two of our 60 deaths were at the nursing home my wife works at and she said they were ready to kick the bucket regardless of covid. A common cold would have finished them off. It was just really close to their time. When you work in that setting for years, you can recognize when someone close to dying. I would imagine most if not all 60 cases were similar.


55 posted on 07/16/2021 7:53:07 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: rlmorel

>>> The point is, we don’t know.

That hits the nail on the head.

The globalists responsible for this mass genocide already know there is no way to prove any one person actually died from the vaccine. A coroner simply doesn’t have the tools to observe the real reasons for death.

The only thing that can be proven is a correlation...

And by the time we have the data for that correlation, it is too late to stop it.

The Army itself just came out with a correlative study showing an abnormal rise in vaccinated soldiers who showed NEW symptoms of pulmonary inflammation and other heart problems.

Nobody is talking about that though.


56 posted on 07/16/2021 7:53:25 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: rlmorel

Very well laid out and thoughtful post.

I believe you are correct in your assessment that we really don’t have valid trustworthy numbers from anywhere about the virus or vaccines.

Many seem to differ from one another.

Add to that the misinformation from all sides of the issue. Or “tweaked” information.

Regarding Elon Musk………..every knows he’s not from Earth.
Of course his test are gonna be weird. LOL


63 posted on 07/16/2021 8:04:40 AM PDT by David Chase (DavidHereToHelp)
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To: rlmorel

You bring up an excellent point. Are covid-19 cases diagnosed with the rapid antigen test or the PCR? If they are using both to determine infection rate completely right about the denominator.

If memory serves me correctly, the recommended number of PCR cycles was reduced in 2021. This would make the PCR test less likely to yield positive diagnoses.

Finally, if one received a positive diagnosis with a PCR in 2020 how accurate is the test? Could you receive a false positive?

I am asking because I don’t know.


67 posted on 07/16/2021 8:19:17 AM PDT by packagingguy
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