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To: Eleutheria5
I gotta say I'm with Grizzly Joe. Other than the sworn affidavits that Giuliani has shown to various state legislature hearings, I haven't seen any real hard evidence of fraud.

I know that there was fraud, and I know that mail-in ballots were illegally accepted as valid without performing real signature verifications, and I know that Republican Poll watchers were prevented from observing and challenging those signatures prior to the ballots being opened and tossed into the tally pool, but I haven't seen evidence of fraud.

I know it happened, but I haven't seen anything that would prove it in a court of law.

And no, statistical analysis like "20 bellwether counties went Trump, yet Trump lost the state" isn't legal proof.

6 posted on 07/13/2021 7:56:49 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

I heard sworn testimony at several state legislative hearings. And no, that’s not admissible yet, because there’s been no adversarial deposition with both parties present. But that is sufficient to create a triable issue of fact, only there has been no trial, just sworn statements and affidavits, and non-substantive, procedural dismissals, based on laches and standing, and other threshold issues. Discovery is right there to be had, but the Dems won’t proceed with it, and the courts haven’t made it necessary.


10 posted on 07/13/2021 8:03:20 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (不要相信中国。中国是个混蛋 "don't trust China. China is azzhoe" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hicC53AhZ6Y)
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To: Yo-Yo

I agree. I think there was a lot of fraud. I think Trump won. But it’s been many months — and no one has anything like real proof. There is no Kraken. We just keep waiting for the reveal. Durham report. Arizona audit report. Lots and lots of people have strong feeling about stuff that they understand to be true. We can’t do better than that?


11 posted on 07/13/2021 8:03:32 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Yo-Yo

If they find votes that would change who won the state in one county, then Trump would win that state.

This seems to have happened in all the swing states. Biden did not get over 80 million votes.

Think would ya?


24 posted on 07/13/2021 8:22:20 AM PDT by dforest (huh?)
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To: Yo-Yo
I gotta say I'm with Grizzly Joe

Then, you're as big an idiot as he is.

Only someone lying or delusional could believe that Trump won 19 of 20 bellwether counties that had voted with winner since 1980 and lost or became the first President in 132 years to get more votes running for reelection than election, in this case 12 million more votes. Or that he was only the second candidate in 28 elections to win Florida and Ohio and lose. Or that Republicans gain about 15 seats in the House and he lost.

Did you miss the lie about the water pipe break in Georgia that cleared all but four poll workers out the room at the State Farm Center in Atlanta after which ballots were pulled out from under tables and run multiple times?

Did you miss the fact that poll observers were illegal kept out of polling places in Philadelphia? Or that workers were holding up pizza boxes to windows in Detroit?

37 posted on 07/13/2021 8:57:50 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Yo-Yo

“I gotta say I’m with Grizzly Joe. Other than the sworn affidavits that Giuliani has shown to various state legislature hearings”

Why on earth do you think they are doing everything they can to make sure we do not see the evidence that substantially proves the election was stolen? If they act guilty then there might be a reason for that.


41 posted on 07/13/2021 9:09:01 AM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Very disappointed in you. If everyone had your attitude then we would not ever have chance to get anyone good in the country elected again. The bad guys control the ballot box.


50 posted on 07/13/2021 9:52:11 AM PDT by Revel
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To: Yo-Yo

Papering over windows, kicking out poll watchers, making them stand 20 ft away, pulling out hidden suitcases, feeding the same ballots in the machines multiple times, pictures of machines connected to the internet, yet you don’t see the proof?


53 posted on 07/13/2021 9:59:21 AM PDT by roving
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To: Yo-Yo

Folks at VoterGA just did an analysis of Fulton Co ballots based on records and photos of ballots made public. Rife with fraud. The real issue is why it so easy to brush under the carpet? We already know why nothing gets done.


68 posted on 07/13/2021 11:23:44 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: Yo-Yo
I know it happened, but I haven't seen anything that would prove it in a court of law.

Yo-Yo, you talkin' a NO NO!

103 posted on 07/14/2021 1:38:58 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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