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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

So Judgment Day already took place?


5 posted on 07/09/2021 9:51:16 AM PDT by Ken H (Trump won.)
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To: Ken H
So Judgment Day already took place?

That's what I was wondering...where did the bodies come from?

8 posted on 07/09/2021 9:58:42 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP! WWG1WGA)
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To: Ken H
You asked, ” So Judgment Day already took place?”

Judgement day will happen in earth’s Linear Time where there is a past, present and future. But heaven and hell are spiritual dimensions where time is not linear. That’s why God can be everywhere all at once. And that’s why, though to us here on earth Judgement day hasn’t happened, Jesus said to the thief on the cross next to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise” (Lk. 23:43).

16 posted on 07/09/2021 10:08:31 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Ken H

God doesn’t necessarily work in the same timeframe you are in. Regardless, the story of the rich man who went to Hell is told in Luke 16 versus 19 to 31 and it indicates clearly that the trip to hell for those that aren’t saved in Christ happens essentially immediately. For the record, I’m not totally dogmatic about that position... there is a Judgement Day and the caveat is that we don’t really know for the reason mentioned at the beginning of the comment... mankind does not exist in the same timeframe as God.


17 posted on 07/09/2021 10:09:03 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Ken H

“So Judgment Day already took place?”

No, there is no “judgement day” for determining whether a person goes to Heaven or Hell. You physically die apart from the Blood of Christ and Hell is waiting for you.


43 posted on 07/09/2021 11:11:37 AM PDT by Democrat = party of treason
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To: Ken H
My guess is these were the two "ferocious" demons that "tore his flesh open" during his visit.




56 posted on 07/09/2021 12:10:07 PM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: Ken H
So Judgment Day already took place?

2 Thessalonians 2

63 posted on 07/09/2021 1:08:56 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Ken H; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; MamaB; ...
"So Judgment Day already took place?"

While the Bible does not teach of demons tormenting souls in Hell, it does teach that the lost are in torment in Hell due to being Christ -rejecting (even by rejecting whatever light they had) sinners while awaiting the actual sentencing in accordance with their sins and culpability.

Luke 16:19-31 is a true account, for Christ nowhere used science fiction - which would be the case if the dead are not conscious and experiencing torment or bliss, but used known physical realities in his parable which correspond to spiritual realities - nor real names in parables, and states,

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom [AKA Paradise]: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. (Luke 16:22-26)

As for Abraham's bosom, this would be where OT believers went since "the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: (Hebrews 9:8) Thus OT believers could not actually enter in the holy of holies, yet neither were they with the lost and suffering in bondage.

However, the death and resurrection of Christ changed the reality of the believers, whereby brethren have boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, "By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh." (Hebrews 10:19-20) When Christ died then having provided the perfect atonement, then the way into the holiest of Heaven was opened:, "Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? (Ephesians 4:9) . Thus, "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many." . And "Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43) Paradise is now Heaven:

And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (2 Corinthians 12:3-4) .

And at the first resurrection of the dead then the believers on earth and in Heaven will receive their glorified physical bodies, while 1,000 years later so will the lost,

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:52)

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:5-6)

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. (1 John 3:2-3)

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39)

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (Revelation 20:7-9)

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:10-15)

64 posted on 07/10/2021 6:36:42 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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