The left is arguing for communism. Wile slavery was bad, communism is far worse.
The issue is never the issue, the issue is furthering the revolution. They will and do argue one side of an issue and then flip to argue the exact opposite if it furthers their revolutionary goals
Shake the dust off your feet, so to speak.
The best way to convince the audience that the Leftist is crazy, is to get the Leftist angry enough that he blurts out what he really thinks.
BUT....But....but....we’ve got to beat them in the arena of ideas. (/s)
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It only frustrates you and annoys the pig.
That is why, regarding slavery, I suggest the following history lesson to Leftists:
-PJ
The Left cannot let go of slavery because it avoids having to blame themselves for the condition of African-Americans today.It used to be the cultural norm that parents "wanted a better life for their children" than they had. That motivation used to be called "sacrifice." Parents sacrificed so their children could have better lives.
That ethos is gone in the black community. This isn't "systemic racism," it's the consequences of LBJ's Great Society programs of the 1960s.
It's still there in the Asian communities built on multigenerational families. It's mostly still there in the European communities. It's likely still there in the Hispanic communities, too.
Even considering whatever "systemic racism" was inherent in "separate but equal," there are many causes of black poverty in the United States, as well as cyclical periods of gains and losses since the Civil War and emancipation from slavery.
People should read this wikipedia entry, The Great Migration. Then read the companion links at the bottom, the Second Great Migration, and then the final New Great Migration to see how African-Americans improved since Reconstruction.
Excerpt from The Great Migration:
African Americans made substantial gains in industrial employment, particularly in the steel, automobile, shipbuilding, and meatpacking industries. Between 1910 and 1920, the number of blacks employed in industry nearly doubled from 500,000 to 901,000.[29] After the Great Depression, more advances took place after workers in the steel and meatpacking industries organized into labor unions in the 1930s and 1940s, under the interracial Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO). The unions ended the segregation of many jobs, and African Americans began to advance into more skilled jobs and supervisory positions previously informally reserved for whites.Between 1940 and 1960, the number of blacks in managerial and administrative occupations doubled, along with the number of blacks in white-collar occupations, while the number of black agricultural workers in 1960 fell to one-fourth of what it was in 1940.[33] Also, between 1936 and 1959, black income relative to white income more than doubled in various skilled trades.[34] Encountering very little employment discrimination, blacks had higher labor force participation rates than whites in every U.S. Census from 1890 to 1950.[35] As a result of these advancements, the percentage of black families living below the poverty line declined from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960 and to 30 percent by 1970.[36]
African-Americans experienced a cultural flourishing in the decades after slavery as they migrated away from the south to other parts of the country. President Lyndon Johnson put an end to all that, and then President Barack Obama blamed "white people" for it.
And now, desperate Leftists are inciting rioting and looting in the name of "slavery" to blame President Donald Trump, "white privilege," and "white supremacy" for it, because they are ignorant of the gains African-Americans made and then lost throughout the last century.
I have a low threshold of tolerance for the systemic stupidity of such individuals
and generally send them to the kiddies’ table on the other side of the block.
Most times arguing with leftists is difficult because while i stick to the truth and facts, they have a whole fantasy world to pull their words from. They see and hear things that exist only in their fevered inaginations, but come to believe its true.
One time a leftist told me that Donald Trump made many trips to Epstein’s pedo island on Epsteins plane as shown by the flight logs. I countered, pointing out Trump isnt listed on the flight logs to the island once, much less multiple times. I then asked him what was it about his brain that made him lie like that. He didnt respond.
Another time, Im going back about 25 years when i was brand new to the internet, I was involved in a debate with a leftist on a message board. I cant recall the details of what we were arguing about. But some time during our debate, he claimed that the president voted on legislation and the congress signs it into law.
I pointed out to him that he had it backwards. It was congress that voted on legislation and the president signed (or vetoed) legislation. In response he called me an idiot and told me that I didnt know what I was talking about!
I was stunned that anyone could be this ignorant. I swear, for a minute or two there I thought I was debating politics with an 8 year old kid. How else to explain this level of stupidity? So I looked up his member profile and was stunned to learn that he was 52 years old! Old enough to be my Father. You’d think a guy at that age would be a little smarter and wiser about the proper roles of the branches of government. Even a leftist.
“He went on to say that while pointless in terms of trying to convince the person with whom you’re “arguing,” it’s worthwhile because others, who may be open-minded and paying attention, might be persuaded.”
Very true. It’s also helpful in that many “liberals” live in an information bubble and have never heard of another point of you. When they hear that coming from someone they consider normal it might cause them to open their eyes.
Just knowing that there are many people that think differently than him can have a positive effect.
Most so called liberals are useful idiots who go with the prevailing wind, ie, what they think is the majority. So the more they hear from us (the stronger our wind) the more they’re likely to come our way.
Never wrestle with a pig.
For example, a guest was a Professor of Economics; his opinion was that the government should print more money and give it to people. In almost the next breath, he was complaining about inflation.
The left cant meme, so think of your argument as a meme war.
Make each of your statements a meme: humor with a kernel of truth at the center.
Brutalize the liars with the truth. The truth prevails.
Destroy your enemy with truth.
This is war. Do not be nice. Assume your opponent is being paid. An insincere enemy is easier to demoralize. One up your opponents. That is, whatever tactic your opponent uses, do it better. Use insults. The enemy deserves humiliation. With the truth on your side you should be able to slap the enemy's face with near impunity.
Treat them like the scum they are. Have fun at their expense. Insult their mother.
PS, these tactics above will not work on facebook or twitter or anywhere heavily moderated by the left. Avoid those corrupted platforms like the plague.
I’ve found that arguing with leftists is a waste of time. They saturate themselves with lies from liberal media. And they end up wanting to believe the lies. That results in them living in a different reality.