Packing for our longest journey (transport required for space travel debated, but what to take?)

Cosmos Magazine ^ | 6/27/2021 | Paul Davies

[algore]

So when Moses decided to take his family and some animals on the ark he took 7 pairs of clean animals, and a pair of the unclean.

Please explain why God insisted he bring Mosquitoes, and no it was not only to feed the dragonflies

[ETL]

[Secret Agent Man]

With ourncurrent technology none of this will happen.

Physical things on this complicated of a ship will fail, and there may be some things that fail that have redundancy, but you can only pack so much replacement materials and redundancy systems. Ultimately things will fail and not be able to be repaired or replaced, and when its a critical system or enough important systems, you’re done.

You say look at the voyager ships. Nowhere as complicated or as many systems, plus they have both failed during mission time and unexpectedly come back. They have no life support, no water systems, no food systems, not a lot of plastics and tubing, not nearly as many computers that will be running multiple systems, not nearly as much physical volume, or air handling/recycling systems with co2 scrubbers, waste removal and reconstituting systems

plus the fact bodies will probably not last as long as we think in 0/reduced gravity situations long term, given how fast things change negatively for astronauts just a few months on the iss despite the regimented daily physical working uot they do to offset it.

nope. not with our current technology. moon, yep, right now. mars, maybe once engines can get us there in a few months, and that’s going to happen. ut not interstellar missions. we need a time/space warp type engine to do that. when we can fold space and pinch a point 4 light years away to where we are, then unpinch it and then we’re there, that’s what is going to make interstellar missions viable.

[Secret Agent Man]

that will derail any missions’ success chances.

[mrsmith]

Good comments.

[Secret Agent Man]

well, i really prefer it would be a lot easier to do, I just don’t believe it will be

just looking at how quickly complex ships and structured of all kinds can degrade and fail on earth,...

and even the few times the iss has been close to evacuating because of the air leak issue or the waste systems not working properly, and they are just 120 miles or so, away

[ETL]

that will derail any missions’ success chances.

Yeah, but risky scientific missions are no fun without at least one on board.

[Secret Agent Man]

yeah but you don’t set out on a mission with the intent of it to fail

its gonna fail if thats on board. :)

[mrsmith]

LOL!
You hate the Constitution.
Fine, you’re free to do so.

Thanks to our Constitution.

[ETL]

Well, I guess it can be somewhat distracting. And the crew needs to be 100% focused on the mission at hand. After all, lives are on the line, as well as the all-important success of the mission.

[dfwgator]

The most perfect woman ever created.

[LibWhacker]

Alien microbes and viruses (if they exist) would probably be unable to invade terrestrial organisms, or to make much progress if they did. And vice versa. Wells’ “happy ending” to the War of the Worlds, in which the Martians succumb to terrestrial germs, is simply not credible.

Told my wife about Davies' article and she says this part of it is most likely wrong because viruses and bacteria adapt so quickly; they may not be able to infect us initially, but would catch on in no time (not counting cases where there is a different "handedness" between organic molecules there and here).

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

#22. She has some really nice NASA patches on her..!

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

The gist of the article is “Mankind is not going anywhere too far from Earth”. And the Martians are happy, for now.

[Political Junkie Too]

Moses was on the Ark? Was that to cross the Red Sea?

-PJ

[21twelve]

Before heading out on a road trip I always check for my
1)keys
2) wallet

Everything else can be purchased along the way if need be.

I’m guessing for space travel I will need to plan a bit better.

[Clutch Martin]

A crewed aircraft or space mission is dependent on a fairly significant amount of weight and equipment needed to maintain survivability and recovery of a crew.

I would like to see more robotics deployed. Most bang for the buck.

Humans can rehearse bio needs on the moon. Robotics to mine the abundant H³ found there and techs to keep the robitics in good working condition. Housing will eventually go to the volcanic lava tubes, properly fitted out, as sans atmosphere the radiation can’t really be controlled any other way.

Life kinda sucks out there in the wilds of the heliosphere.

[Steven Tyler]

Imagine taking a five year old on the journey

Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet.....

[Adder]

Undies...at least 3 pair.

[PIF]

I imaging it depends of the ship used - its size and speed.

If it is a 300 foot long Project Orion type ship traveling at 10% light speed, then it could carry thousands of crew and lots of personal possessions;

if it was a 200 kilometer long oviid Culture General Service Vehicle (like “God Fishes Forever”) traveling at 150 kilo lights, then it could carry tens of millions of humanoids and others, who could take anything they wanted including dozens of Orion ships, as well as buy what they needed from the shopping malls, visit entertainment centers, bars, whore houses etc.

Size matters.