Posted on 06/25/2021 8:17:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin
A man who intervened in a shooting that killed a police officer near Denver was shot and killed by a responding officer while holding the suspect’s AR-15, police said Friday.
Johnny Hurley, who has been described by police as a hero who prevented further bloodshed, shot suspect Ronald Troyke on Monday after Troyke gunned down Arvada Officer Gordon Beesley with a 12-gauge semi-automatic shotgun.
After shooting Beesley twice, Troyke shot out the windows of police cars in the city’s downtown district, returned to his truck to get an AR-15 and was confronted by Hurley, who shot him with a handgun. When an officer arrived, Hurley was holding Troyke’s AR-15 and the officer opened fire, police said.
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Tough to say.
Given from a cover position, a “hands up don’t loot” command coulda worked.
Even more than staying out of a Courtroom, keeping a great social distance from Cops sounds like a healthy activity.
I imagine you’re right and if the bodycam and dashcam video haven’t been accidentally/conveniently deleted then they’ll prove you right.
I CALLED IT
no
its not prudent to do that
you have no idea if there are others with the bad guy still around in the area that haven’t been identified
not responsible to let your guard down
Anybody without a badge who did this would be sitting in jail right now.
they can murder an undercover cop this way too
My dad was a lifetime LEO. One thing I learned from him early on: to most cops, there are only two kinds of people - cops and everyone else. If you are in the "everyone else" group, then you are a bad guy until proven innocent. There are very few cops that don't have this mindset. According to my dad, it's a hard mindset to break.
Reminds me of a case I read about a few years ago. A security guard was straddling the suspect with a gun to his head, when a cop arrived at the scene and promptly shot the guard dead, despite the bystanders shouting at him not to do so.
Which in turn reminds me of Chauvin not listening to the bystanders. (I can think of reasons why he might have ignored them - suspects lie about not being able to breathe, the hostile crowd, an ambulance had already been called, and so on - but we know now with hindsight that it was a poor decision on his part.)
Responding LEO prolly chose not to follow protocols.
Can we agree that picking up the AR-15 after already dropping the bad guy was a REALLY FOOLISH mistake.
Brave...but dumb.
Cops are proving to be a complete threat to both sides.
True, I guess it depends on whether or not other possible targets were present. We won’t know unless they tell us more and show some body-cam or vehicle-cam footage.
Brave...but dumb.
It seems to have happened very quickly.
After shooting the active shooter, Bill Troyanos, Hurley had an excellent reason to make sure Troyanos could no longer access the AR-15. He probably picked it up just moments before being shot.
It is easy to make complex decisions in the hours after an event.
The person in the event is making the decision in seconds.
Yes, he should not have been holding it when the other cops arrived.
When I was teaching CCW classes, we talked about the danger of being percieved as the threat when the police arrive.
As others have noted, there have been a few other mistaken identity shooting by police over the years.
Meanwhile, they drilled into US in CCW class, that if you come upon a guy who you witness threatening another guy with a gun, and you shoot him, and he turns out to be a plainclothes cop, then you WILL be charged with murder of a police officer.
Very good post.
The hero who shot the bad guy and was later shot by the cop suffered from the wrong skin color. If he was a black guy, the cop wouldn’t have shot him but instead begged and pleaded 73 times to drop the weapon.
I think you know.
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