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1 posted on 06/25/2021 1:45:06 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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The Gatling guns he left behind would have made a big difference.


2 posted on 06/25/2021 1:47:26 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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“*Reconnaissance - there was none and the results showed.

*He clearly didn’t trust his scouts or officers. “

Clear and indisputable failure of leadership.


3 posted on 06/25/2021 1:50:06 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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This put quite a damper on the centennial ceremonies back east. Couple of weeks later Wild Bill Hickok was murdered. Jack McCall shot Hickok from behind as he played poker at Nuttal & Mann’s Saloon in Deadwood, Dakota Territory on August 2, 1876. Hickok held 2 pair. Aces and eights forever after known as “dead man’s hand”.


4 posted on 06/25/2021 1:52:39 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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The gov’t needs to just leave peeps alone.


5 posted on 06/25/2021 1:53:31 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Critical Marx Theory is The SOLUTION....)
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I like the illustrations showing the battle field movements. Thanks for posting!


7 posted on 06/25/2021 1:55:01 PM PDT by caver
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Bttt.

5.56mm


9 posted on 06/25/2021 1:56:45 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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He never should have separated his troops and split them up.


10 posted on 06/25/2021 1:57:13 PM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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“His armaments were single shot Springfield rifles.”

IIRC, battlefield archeologists found many Springfield cartridges with large scratches on them. This was indicative of extraction failure. It sounds like (and I’m merely guessing here - don’t flame me) Custer’s troops were unable to keep up a steady rate of fire that may have kept the Indians at bay.


11 posted on 06/25/2021 2:00:04 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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We lived in Montana for several years and I spent many hours at the battlefield imagining and trying to understand Custer’s circumstances and decisions. Fundamentally, he made a series of poor decisions (no recon, split command and having expectations of subordinate leaders that they would not/could not meet). Also, the topography of the battlefield was not friendly—while it looks like wide open spaces, it is not and provides a lot of hills and gully (or as Montanans call them -coolies) concealment


14 posted on 06/25/2021 2:07:32 PM PDT by yetidog
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My bucket list includes a ride on horse back of that battlefield. The Indians have tours of it or did the last time I was there. I know a lady whose grandmother was a little girl in an Indian camp at the battle site. I believe they fought so hard because they had their families there and broke camp because they knew who they had destroyed and didn’t want their families at further risk. Custer was an egomaniac and an azzhole. IMHO.


15 posted on 06/25/2021 2:08:36 PM PDT by Equine1952
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Last night I watched the Twilight Zone episode where the National Guard tank crew travels back in time and joins the battle!


17 posted on 06/25/2021 2:11:13 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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I heard that Miles Keough was an Irish immigrant who had previously been a Papal Swiss Guard. He was wearing a ring that had been given to him by the Pope. The story is maybe the Indians did not mutilate his body because they thought that the papal ring had magical power.


18 posted on 06/25/2021 2:13:55 PM PDT by forgotten man
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I took my daughter there when she was thirteen.

Note to any Dads out there: Your average 13 year old daughter is not the least bit interested in “cowboys and Indians.” I can only imagine the horror of going there with a woke 13 year old girl.

We laugh about it now, but it was not a good day for us.


23 posted on 06/25/2021 2:26:14 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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I read CUSTER’S FALL about fifty five years ago and this got my interest in it.

Twas there in 2013, and went by in 2015.

Now here is a little something I came up on about fifty years ago...

There is a name on that monument of a man who was not killed there. He died in 1944, after being an Oklahoma sheriff.
On a visit, he was shocked to see his name there. He was originally transferred to the 7th, but suddenly was transferred to the 5th Cavalry.
He protested to the Dept of War, and they checked into it and said that since he had originally been listed as KIA at Little Big Horn, he would have to stay killed at LBH.
Wonder how many can name him.

I also like to point out that this battle took place in Pro-US CROW territory. It can be classed as a massive invasion by their enemies the Sioux, Cheyenne and Arapaho.


24 posted on 06/25/2021 2:26:43 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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He did a reasonable job. Didn’t recce? If he had, the enemy would probably flee - except THIS time, the enemy had the numbers. But many cavalry knew the frustration of spending months chasing and never catching up with the Indians. His job was to ENGAGE, not to LIVE FOREVER.

Split his forces? Not a bad option. It can work very well and can work against a bigger enemy. But Reno and Benteen lacked the aggression needed.

Biggest problem was BAD LUCK. This time, almost uniquely in the Indian Wars, they caught up with a BIG group that was ready and willing to fight.


25 posted on 06/25/2021 2:27:05 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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For a very interesting read on the Last Stand, see George MacDonald Fraser's "Flashman and the Redskins". Very interesting take on all sides ...
31 posted on 06/25/2021 2:37:27 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Orchides Forum Trahite - Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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The thing I find most interesting about Custer is that during the Civil War his men seemed to love him and would follow him anywhere, but after that war ended, and he went out west, he became widely hated by his troops. At West Point he was a prankster and always skating within a demerit or two of being dismissed, but after the war he became a different person.


37 posted on 06/25/2021 2:47:30 PM PDT by Flag_This
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We drove/walked this entire battle in 2010. Custer was a incredible fighting soldier. As most in the military know, the good fighters are not the politically correct ones. How many horses were shot out from under him at Gettysburg?

Anyhow, Custer rode into a hornet’s nest; 10,000 Sioux warriors in a camp stretching 20 miles. He thought he was hitting them in the middle, but it was only the front, giving the rest time to prepare (no element of surprise). When he realized the mistake, he tried to back out and was immediately surrounded by hardened warriors ready to rumble after being driven out of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and the Dakotas. Not only that, they had better Guns than GI Issue!

Had he had proper reconnaissance, he wouldn’t have made this mistake. I believe it was Sun Tzu who said, one spy can be more valuable than thousands of foot soldiers
38 posted on 06/25/2021 2:48:36 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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I had no idea the Battle of the Little Big Horn took place on my Dad’s birthday. If still living, he would be 99 years old today. So the battle took place 46 years before he was born. How the world has changed in that time!!!


39 posted on 06/25/2021 2:48:49 PM PDT by RatRipper ( Democrats and socialists are vile liars, thdieves and murderers - enemies of good and America.)
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A good set of questions. Tipping my old cavalry Stetson to you.

Regarding the recon and trusting his scouts and officers: 1) Reno’s earlier detached ride was a recon as was Benteen’s to the north of the column. I think we forget how much slower sending out a scouting column and its return was then versus now to get its report back to the Custer (aka command group).

2) Trusting versus believing the scouts and being able to comprehend the actual size of the combined Indian tribes. I think Custer didn’t grasp the size of the force against him. Remember, this gathering was unprecedent in size for the Western frontier where the Army usually fought Indian groups of a couple of hundred warriors, NOT 2,000 or more in a single battle.

3) Custer apparently trusted Mitch Boyer, since he took him as his lead scout, but “couldn’t get his head around” the actual size of the enemy force.


41 posted on 06/25/2021 2:50:43 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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