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Texas Starts Waking Up To The Issue Of The Full Costs Of "Renewables"
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 22 Jun, 2021 | Francis Menton

Posted on 06/22/2021 4:30:30 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 06/22/2021 4:30:30 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

I am willing to try Green energy if AOC, Schumer, Kerry and Gore pay for the backup generating stations that can take over 100% capacity on a hot switchover, if the green energy fails or cannot meet demand.


2 posted on 06/22/2021 4:30:42 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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My 12 year old daughter was trying to school me on climate change and how destructive we humans have been. I told her to research findings in the arctic and antarctic regarding excavations. She comes to me and informed me there have been fossilized tropical plants and animals found there that could not survive in a cold climate. When I asked her what did humans do to cause that, she tells me “Silly, humans weren't around then!” DUH I know that- our planet is going to do what God and Mother Nature want it to do, regardless of anything us mere humans contribute to the situation.
3 posted on 06/22/2021 4:37:49 AM PDT by MissEdie (Be the Light in Someone's Darkness.)
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I’ve always looked at it this way. Any new power source will cost so much to build. You have to have reliable backup sources for the “green energy” projects. There may be times when power production will have to come only directly from conventional power plants; if there is no wind & no sunshine. Since you would have to rely directly on conventional sources, why not build that only, thereby saving what what would be spent on solar & wind which can only be intermittent at the best. Seems to me that total expenditure for power sources would be less if only spent on the reliable conventional plants. It has served well with few problems in the past. States that insist on utilizing “green energy” to depend on are going to be stuck with high priced energy from nearby states(if it is even available) when their wind & solar both fail.


5 posted on 06/22/2021 4:48:34 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: polymuser
Hopefully, 2021 is a year full of awakening, to truth.

Truth about: Covid19, Covid19 vaccines, green energy, blacks, BLM, electric cars and their batteries, the election, Democrats, censorship, schools, gov spending, etc.

Stop with the Bloody Marys this early in the morning.

You are living in a fantasy land {watch out for the wicked Queen}.

Oh, hell, go ahead and have another, dreaming is better than reality:)

6 posted on 06/22/2021 4:53:47 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: MtnClimber

PERUSE LATER.


7 posted on 06/22/2021 4:54:50 AM PDT by NetAddicted ( Just looking)
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To: oldtech

Excellent article. Even Michael Moore thinks Green energy is a scam, see his documentary “The Planet of the Humans”


8 posted on 06/22/2021 4:54:59 AM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weatheryour)
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To: MtnClimber

I think the whole idea of shifting to “green energy” is to make the electrical supply uncertain and subject to the whims of weather and bureaucratic decisions. By making electricity scarce and unreliable, this would force the substitution of human effort to perform the simple tasks of pumping water, carrying or towing burdens, or lighting fires fueled by wood or other combustible organic material. Therefore, this would bring about “full employment”, as in “if you don’t work, you don’t eat.”

Human beings are basically a rather lazy lot, which drives a great deal of innovation for “labor-saving” devices. The introduction of electricity provided what was at the time a more reliable, and dare I say, a more efficient means of transforming human activity into useful work. In fact, our dependence on electricity as a source of energy utilization has overtaken our lives to the extent we could literally not survive without it, at least not in the numbers we now exist.

Perhaps that is the objective of the “green energy” advocates, the decimation and even massive die-back of the humanity that exists, to “sustainable” levels. Less impact on the resources of the planet, that is for sure.

This also explains the fascination with the death culture, the anti-reproduction attitudes of coming generations, with access to abortion, “transgenderism” (which succeeds only in making the individuals of either gender effectively neuters), and the passion for elevating LBGT to a virtue over “toxic masculinity” or “smother love”.

This all comes of a piece of the whole “command-and-control” mentality that has overtaken our world (once again). You see, the very idea of individual liberty and personal freedom are only very recent innovations of the human spirit, as for ages the lives of most humanity were governed by some form of tyrannical control and for the purpose of keeping a privileged class in control of all aspects of life. This spirit of innovation is the genie that has to be put back in the bottle, at all costs, and denial of cheap and reliable energy is the way in which it is to be accomplished.

Beware of the person who says, “We are doing this for your own good.” For no real benefit shall ever be provided to the victim of this lie.


9 posted on 06/22/2021 5:03:03 AM PDT by alloysteel ( Cows don't give milk. You have to work for it.)
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To: polymuser

2021 is a year full of awakening, to truth
........not likely to happen. As long as many self-righteous sheeple run around wearing masks, loudly complaining about the cost of gasoline while complaining about the environment and fossil fuels, and parroting whatever the f CNN/and the rest of the “alphabet news” says about The Science and how great that Pedo Joe is loved, There isn’t enough tine and energy to Awaken these idiots to anything real around them.

There is none so blind as those that will not see.

They choose blindness and ignorance, because that is the easy path to a dead future.
Be as happy as you can be, do what best you can. Pray. Life here is short.


10 posted on 06/22/2021 5:07:48 AM PDT by drSteve78 (Je suis deplorable. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE)
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To: MtnClimber

Good article.

It boils down to ‘every watt of intermittent/uncertain power must be backed up by a watt of reliable power’. Every windmill has a gas turbine to supply when the wind isn’t blowing.

That IS part of the cost of the unreliable renewable energy source. Sometimes, the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine. And when that happens, there’d better be coal, gas, or oil ready to back it up.


11 posted on 06/22/2021 5:18:01 AM PDT by meyer (I swear to protect and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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Who knew? Most people with more then 2 brain cells.


12 posted on 06/22/2021 5:24:49 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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There isn’t enough tine and energy to Awaken these idiots to anything real around them.

In Texas at least,there certainly is but Wimpy Abbott won't do it.

13 posted on 06/22/2021 5:30:08 AM PDT by SanchoP
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To: alloysteel
think the whole idea of shifting to “green energy” is to make the electrical supply uncertain and subject to the whims of weather and bureaucratic decisions.

Good analysis.

14 posted on 06/22/2021 5:32:42 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( PRAY FOR OUR NATION. MI will never be a peaceful slave Socialist America.)
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It baffles me that the greenies want all this stuff, but bird shredders on every mountain ridge, and black seas of photo voltaics spread for hundreds of square miles. These destroy the environment they are claiming to save and as far as I am concerned are a crime against humanity


15 posted on 06/22/2021 5:43:10 AM PDT by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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Over the past decade, I’ve lost all confidence in grid supplied power and have accelerated the plans to get off-grid as fast as I can....and now that I’ve figured out some things with this, I would extend that thinking to any place we might move to in the future. Being totally dependent on others without backup plans is not just downright stupid, it’s dangerous.


16 posted on 06/22/2021 5:46:28 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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Yup, it’s a good documentary for outing the green energy scam. You do have to put up with them using “greedy capitalists” but people like Bill Gates and Al Gore are included in that. Also, towards the end, they end up with, too many people as the root problem and they still believe we’re doomed. But for the technical aspect and showing how green energy actually costs more than fossil fuels, which is most of it, it gets an A.


17 posted on 06/22/2021 5:53:53 AM PDT by Pollard
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Just wait ‘til the resulting inevitable outages are managed by social justice warriors.


18 posted on 06/22/2021 5:55:12 AM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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Burn your garbage to produce electricity. It works and the stacks can be scrubbed. We put out clean stack discharge here in America. Go after China and India if you want to reduce pollution.


19 posted on 06/22/2021 6:01:00 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: MissEdie

The fossils don’t mean that the poles were one time tropical. For instance, Antarctica was further towards the equator and has been driven to its current position. I believe it has been there since the Miocene.


20 posted on 06/22/2021 6:18:04 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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