Posted on 06/16/2021 4:26:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber
These people have incredible credentials in relevant fields of science and medicine. Stupidity can't be the explanation.
One should believe the science, and the scientific evidence is overwhelming that ivermectin (IVM) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) are effective for preventing and treating COVID, especially when combined with other drugs.
The studies supporting this conclusion are readily available and endorsed by clinicians and scientists with awesome credentials. See, for example, the work of Pierre Kory and his team, the BIRD Group, Peter McCullough, Harvey Risch, Brett Weinstein/Steve Kirsch/Robert Malone, and many others.
The information has been available since the start of the pandemic. As early as April of 2020, some clinicians were saving their patients and pleading, in vain, with the health authorities to investigate the value of these drugs.
Throughout this time, the major social media companies have suppressed this vital information. Facebook seems to be the most ruthless. You Tube and Twitter are close behind, though some information escapes the eagle eye of the censors.
Facebook's censorship fits ill with its assurance in its SEC filings:
COVID-19 Response. In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, we launched multiple initiatives to support the global public health community's work to keep people safe and informed. We took steps to provide our community with access to accurate information, stop misinformation and harmful content, and support global health experts, local governments, businesses, and communities. . .
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So your results constitute a statistically valid study?
What was your control?
What was your population size? How many deaths?
What are the demographics of your study set?
I could go on, but hopefully I have made my point.
Maybe your study is incomplete; or your experience is an outlier.
(Do not mean to suggest you are an outright liar. Just want to be very clear there.)
Glad to see lee’s ghost has been corrected regarding the (proper, in this case) use of ‘toe the line’.
Perhaps because the evidence isn’t that overwhelming? Most of these studies are small, and they all test against doing nothing, rather than the current treatment regime used here with a mix of steroids, anti-inflammatory, and anti-coagulation drugs.
So says the n00b, against what REAL and highly credentialed docs are saying.
Did a search (Google, then DuckDuckGo) and found much different results using DDG.
For example with DDG found this:
https://trialsitenews.com/real-world-evidence-the-case-of-peru/
In these eight Peruvian State analyses, ivermectin distributions preceded sound reductions in deaths amount and infection fatality rate. The variation in the number of detected cases or the vulnerable population decrease can’t explain the mortality and lethality improvement. Likewise, other possible explanations, such as crossed immunity with dengue, or mere causality, have been discarded due to their lack of consistency or implausibility.
The bottom line: treatment with Ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in the number of deaths and the fatality rate in Peru. Its implementation in public policies is a highly effective measure to reduce the mortality and lethality of COVID-19.
Could the propaganda media (with Google help) be trying to mislead?
What works or has substantial success if patients are in bad enough shape to be admitted?
The studies are less than convincing. Personal experience is less than convincing. That is why these drugs are not being used in the hospital. it there is no shortage of armchair quarterbacks telling us what to do
Are the medical experts AFRAID to speak out?
Did you see the recent Project Veritas exposé of the Fox26 Houston reporter who was muzzled by Fox Corp?
Why was she muzzled? For speaking out about the success of HCQ.
Who wanted her muzzled? Why, none other than one of Fox’s biggest ad buyers....Houston Methodist hospital....the ones pushing these experimental shots, non-stop, 24/7. (Methodist has even held ‘Vaccination Stations” at Astros ball games.)
These hospital systems are owned by BigPharm.
The hospital systems own the docs (thanks, 0bama*Care*).
Same hospital system that has been in the news for mandating that their employees have all taken these EUA/experimental shots.
The bottom line: treatment with Ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in the number of deaths and the fatality rate in Peru. Its implementation in public policies is a highly effective measure to reduce the mortality and lethality of COVID-19.
Could the propaganda media (with Google help) be trying to mislead?
🤔
The odds are.....YES!
steroids. anticoagulants. some help with remdesivir. regeneron for sick outpatients. Some promising other treatments such as tolicizumab. For the worst of the worst ECMO. It is not one treatment but a combination of multiple things - however we are much better at treating this than a year ago
vermectin for COVID-19 in Peru: 14-fold reduction in nationwide excess deaths, p<0.002 for effect by state, then 13-fold increase after ivermectin use restricted
Peru not seeing results using Ivermectin narrative could very well be Fake News? Sorta like the retracted Lancet article about HCQ.
Thanks for the info...
Thanks, but both of those sources date from 2020. It’s this year that Peru has had one of the highest death rates in that mass distribution of Ivermectin did little to curb.
Perhaps because the evidence isn’t that overwhelming? Most of these studies are small, and they all test against doing nothing, rather than the current treatment regime used here with a mix of steroids, anti-inflammatory, and anti-coagulation drugs.
Exactly, there are few US studies on these drugs and the studies have conflicting results.
The Broward Health study showing an effect with Ivermectin shows HCQ does nothing in their patients.
The latest St. Barnabas study was on severely ill covid patients that just happened to have 37 or so patients that got a higher than usual dose of HCQ. The high dose had a mortality benefit with about half surviving. The study found lower doses of HCQ did nothing, with low HCQ or usual care having about 16% surviving.
The St Barnabas study took about a year to get published online. So we have a study that shows in 37 people with severe covid, who received weight based high dose HCQ provides 50% survival in those 37 patients.
That's probably enough for doctors to try it in their own ICU patients with COVID-19 but it is meaningless as to how to use the drug in patients with less severe cases of COVID-19.
If you have COVID and want to try either medication be my guest I'm against stopping doctors from prescribing these medications once an informed decision has been made by the patient. But good luck finding a doctor willing to take on the liability. The US is a litigious society and many doctors are not willing to buck the standard of care.
The other issue is covid seems to have a natural cycle where it peaks then falls off in about 6 weeks. Some of the “success” with ivermectin may actually just be the natural cycle of the disease despite what free republics own armchair medical corps may tell you. They are experts without having treated one patient with the disease
That is one twister of a post — including “wants to imply”
The same could be said for the vax as the administration trailed the SARS decline by substantial margins. Furthermore, as the vax administration gained ground, the SARS decline halted followed by a protracted uptick. This is not to say the vax does not prevent SARS illness on a case by case basis, but the national stats do not show a direct relationship between the vax rollout and the SARS case and fatality decline.
I don’t doubt your honesty
Another truth though is the media and big medical and politicians of the left proclaimed plaquenil as the God awfulist most dangerous drug known to man
Even though....and they knew...it is heavily prescribed worldwide for malaria lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and is in fact very very safe.
They lied repeatedly to damage Trump since he proclaimed that treating Covid with it looked promising
So you can understand why informed people suspect when folks claim it doesn’t work in light of the other glaring lies
My own experience was that plaquenil helped...perhaps more so as a prophylactic
What are your views on the vaccine...
I’m being treated as we speak for six months with eliquis for blood clot and subsequent pulmonary emboli
Had a contract total chest echo yesterday....getting better....didn’t realize pulmonary emboli can leave perm lung issue...scar tissue like...as I needed more lol
My cardiologist who’s treating this at Vandy said given the concern with clots and the vaccines ....no way for me ...
We think I had at it last summer anyhow...it was mild and I took plaquenil in the suggested regimen
The loss of taste is the profound tell
My aunt and uncle got it in east Texas...rural..80s....very sick he was....i got plaquenil and z paks amd zinc....good nasty nasty tasting zinc...600 mile drive
They improved fairly quickly....he had refused to go to hospital out of fear of ventilation
Thanks for your posts here as always
Thank you for your kind words. The vaccine is good for some I would hold off on others. It depends on your risks. If you think you had covid I would get an antibody test, if you have significant antibodies you are good to go. If you are worried about flirting with the vaccine the time to take it might be when you are in the eliquis, but again I don’t know enough about you. Please talk it over with your pcp or cardiologist
There are some issues with plaquenil the biggest being retinitis pigmentosa that can lead to blindness. Taking it for a couple weeks is fine. If taking long term you need a yearly eye exam and as always discuss it with your pcp. Stay well!
True but we are seeing a shift in who is hospitalized. The vast majority of cases in the hospital now at least in my area are younger unvaccinated folks. We are not seeing our usual over 60-65 crowd as much. My area started vaccinating just before our 4th wave hit. Not only is it a different population we are seeing but this leak was much lower than previous and the death rate barely bumped. Many levels are the lowest they have been since this whole thing started Time will tell but I believe we are seeing vaccine effect
I was ignorant of that...I read up. My cousin in Clinton Mississippi has lupus erythematous
She takes I believe 2 plaquenil a day
I’d imagine she has her retina looked at...?
She told me she’d been on it since 1985
Media made it sound worse than Lipitor or Renexa or levaquin
Three drugs which work well but can affect some folks very very badly..
I tolerate levaquin well but not the other two
I took Pravachol for 25 years then they put me on Lipitor and six months later I was almost paralyzed...couldn’t stand up and open a coke or raise my arms above my chest
I quit and got better immediately but was weak for months the last 20% to normal took a long time
I used to crow about statins here.....and laugh at naysayers lol
Now I take repatha ....works wonderful....great lipid profile...
Anyhow....thanks again
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