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The United States Began To Fail Abroad 70 Years Ago In The Korean War: Korea is a thought-provoking conflict that should be studied in intimate detail. Let’s learn from our failures.
The Federalist ^ | 05/31/2021 | Ellis Domenech

Posted on 05/31/2021 9:46:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: DesertRhino
the downside of that argument is it opens the door for other countries to use nukes in combat.

it's true at the time we were completely dominate in the field....at the time.

another downside of using the nukes would have been the downwind fallout that would have drifted toward South Korea and Japan. Politically that would have been a tough sell even in the early 50s.

41 posted on 05/31/2021 12:36:01 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: M Kehoe
Kinda off topic, the Yalu river basin should have been turned into glass.

According to Harry he only had a couple Nukes in stock and they really didn't want to build more.

42 posted on 05/31/2021 12:36:07 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans a secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Bongino says.)
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To: shanover
The USSR should have been pushed back to its borders and communism eradicated as a part of WWII.

And that is why Patton had to die.

43 posted on 05/31/2021 12:38:17 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans a secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Bongino says.)
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To: itsahoot

McArthur failed to control his incompetent staff and precipitated the deaths of whole brigades by Chinese troops they denied that existed.

McArthur allowed the Chinese to kill Americans unabated because they were ill trained and under armed. His staff damn near lost Korea all together.

To defend McArthur in the light of recent truthful scholarship is stupidity


44 posted on 05/31/2021 12:38:35 PM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) History: Pelosi was pitiful vindictive California crone)
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To: AZJeep
And let's recall we agreed to let the Ruskies take Berlin when we had the opportunity to get there first.

If Ike and SHAEF had been willing to run an American style blitzkrieg it could have happened. One that that hampered us was our logistical planning. We had a far higher tooth to tail ratio than either the Germans or the Russians.

Plus, we'd not calculated a German collapse which would have opened the door for an drive into Germany.

There were other things we could have done to hasten the end of the war.

45 posted on 05/31/2021 12:39:59 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: fso301

The staff disregarded and perhaps even hid from use solid intelligence with which they chose not to agree.

They threatened the Chinese against repeated warnings not to proceed

General ignorance and arrogance prevailed in the Mcarthur HQ in Tokyo, miles and oceans away from the battlefield


46 posted on 05/31/2021 12:41:29 PM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) History: Pelosi was pitiful vindictive California crone)
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To: SeekAndFind

Russia and China.


47 posted on 05/31/2021 12:58:05 PM PDT by familyop
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To: StAnDeliver

Do you find any good from or since Reagan gave illegals amnesty? I sure don’t. This is major failure and too bad you cannot appreciate that.


48 posted on 05/31/2021 1:01:57 PM PDT by Reno89519 (Buy American, Hire American! End All Worker Visa Programs. Replace Visa Workers w/ American Wo)
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To: SeekAndFind

America hasn’t won a war since 1945.


49 posted on 05/31/2021 1:07:35 PM PDT by RobertoinAL
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To: Seruzawa

My dad Marine was at The Chosin. Purple Heart and Bronze Star recipient. He always mentioned how he admired MacArthur and felt cheated they were not able to take care of business and finish the job.


50 posted on 05/31/2021 1:24:32 PM PDT by arbee4bush (No, I'm not a bush bot. I had a weak moment back in 2004 when I signed up to FR)
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To: SeekAndFind

We lost 34,000. The Koreans and Chinese lost 1,000,000. Read up on General Ridgeways “meat grinder “ strategy.


51 posted on 05/31/2021 1:57:32 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: bert
The staff disregarded and perhaps even hid from use solid intelligence with which they chose not to agree.

MacArthur and his staff were very much aware of the Chinese buildup.

MacArthur didn't believe the Chinese would attack because of the Air Force's ability to destroy at will, bases of attack and lines of supply north as well as south of the Yalu, no Chinese military commander would hazard the commitment of large forces upon the Korean peninsula. The risk of their utter destruction through lack of supply would have been too great.

What MacArthur wasn't aware of is that the Chinese already knew that Truman, the president who handed China to the Communists, would not allow US forces to attack Chinese bases of attack and lines of supply north or the Yalu. Truman even forbid MacArthur from attacking what few North Korean targets remained in North Korea. Truman even established a safe haven of 5 miles inside the entire border of NK thereby giving his Communist friends a bridgehead east of the Yalu.

General ignorance and arrogance prevailed in the Mcarthur HQ in Tokyo, miles and oceans away from the battlefield

You are yet another Freeper brainwashed by decades of leftist propaganda. Three days before the full scale Chinese attack, MacArthur flew in an unarmed aircraft at 5,000 feet directly above the safe haven created by Truman, He flew from the mouth of the Yalu along the entire length of the front to the Siberian border.

52 posted on 05/31/2021 2:11:55 PM PDT by fso301
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To: SeekAndFind
The Korean War was not a failure or a loss. As a result of it, South Korea was created and most Koreans live in freedom and prosperity as US allies. Japan was also protected against the menace of a unified communist Korea that would have pointed at Japan like a dagger.

Indeed, it is hard to see how a better result could have been obtained during the Korean War. Complete victory would have required a full scale war with China that would have caused immense US casualties, lasted many years, and likely led to the loss of Europe to the USSR. Therefore the US Chiefs of Staff corrected insisted that the Korean War be limited in scope and objectives.

On the whole, the US does best by relying not just on war and military power but also on our immense economic, political, technological, and cultural strength. As it is, the North Korean regime is in a process of decomposition and is unlikely to last a decade more.

53 posted on 05/31/2021 2:21:30 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
Complete victory would have required a full scale war with China that would have caused immense US casualties, lasted many years, and likely led to the loss of Europe to the USSR.

I disagree. Had the U.S. issued a warning to the effect that any entry of the Chinese Communists in force into Korea would be considered an act of international war against the United States, the Korean War would have ended in the winter of 1950/51. The Reds would have stayed on their side of the Yalu as they had no ability to intervene and not be utterly destroyed by a US military given a free hand to attack.

54 posted on 05/31/2021 2:33:02 PM PDT by fso301
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To: JonPreston

MacArthur planned and led the Inchon Landing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Inchon

GOOD!!!!

But he later went crazy!!!!

Yes, we made some mistakes in the Korean War. But we contained communism, which was the whole point!!!!

Harry Truman was vilified in 1952, largely because of the war. But he was later recognized as a great President (Not just the Korean war, but the Marshall Plan, Truman Doctrine, NATO, etc., and the beginning of the post-war prosperity)!!!!


55 posted on 05/31/2021 3:13:12 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

We contained communism? Have you looked at Washington? Any college campus?


56 posted on 05/31/2021 3:21:38 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: Honorary Serb
But he later went crazy!!!!

How so?

57 posted on 05/31/2021 3:27:26 PM PDT by fso301
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To: JonPreston

We continued communism in the 1950s, the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, but then the sneaky little domestic commies made the inroads you cited.

If the election had not been stolen, we could have stopped the domestic commies, who are actually very weak.


58 posted on 05/31/2021 3:38:51 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: fso301

It’s the nukes!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Nuclear_weapons


59 posted on 05/31/2021 3:41:05 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Nevertheless, we were embarrassed multiple times on the battlefield.

Once we stopped telling the Soviets what we were doing and where we were going, things changed.
60 posted on 05/31/2021 3:44:48 PM PDT by stylin19a (Golf is a game invented by the same people who think music comes out of a bagpipe.)
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