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To: campaignPete R-CT; darkangel82; AuH2ORepublican

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r5QeMCslKg

Apparently it was scored as 2 errors, by 1B and C. Even though it was (mostly) 1Bs fault it should have been a fielder’s choice with only the Catcher having an error for the throw allowing Baez to 2nd. Breathtaking mental lapses aren’t errors according to the rules.


38 posted on 05/28/2021 10:35:44 PM PDT by Impy ("Burn them all!!" - King Aerys II Targaryen, I share the sentiment )
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To: Impy

He played it like a 3rd baseman cuz he grew up as a third baseman.

Craig 1B

The 1B error was coming off the bag to receive the throw. The play was at first. So error on either 3B or 1B


39 posted on 05/29/2021 5:53:06 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Committee to Re-Elect the President ( CREEP ) )
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To: Impy; campaignPete R-CT; darkangel82

Are you sure that Javy reaching 1B was scored as an error on the 1B and not a fielder’s choice? I thought that it had been scored as a fielder’s choice and an RBI.

The most incredible thing about the play is that, unless I misunderstand the rule, had Javy been tagged out before he reached 1B, the run wouldn’t have counted even if Contreras had touched the plate before Javy was retired. Obviously having the first baseman (or any other fielder with the ball) step on the bag before Javy would be a force-out that would cause the run to be waved off (because it would be the third out), but I believe that even if the batter-runner was tagged out before reaching first that it would be the equivalent of a force play and not treated as a timing play. So Javy would have accomplished nothing had the second baseman gotten to 1B on time to catch the throw from the catcher.

And if I’m wrong and a batter-runner tagged out prior to reaching 1B is treated as having been retired in a timing play (which would permit the run to score), then Javy messed up by not making sure that he was tagged out after Contreras reached the plate.

I love Javy Báez’s baserunning and how his hustle and aggressiveness pushes the buttons of fielders and goads them into making mistakes—that was exactly what Ty Cobb would do on the bases that struck fear into opposing fielders a lot more than the exaggerated stories of sharpened spikes would lead you to believe—but in that particular situation getting the first baseman to chase him until Contreras scored would not have been sufficient to make the run count. Javy signaling “safe” when Contreras reached the plate would have been for naught had two other Pirates apart from the first baseman not made similarly boneheaded mistakes (the catcher for not have tagged Javy instead of trying to tag Contreras, and the second baseman for not having been covering 1B al along).

It is an insult to Little Leaguers everywhere to compare the Pirates to a bunch of Little Leaguers.


42 posted on 06/01/2021 11:12:02 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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