Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety

5/24/2021 | vanity

[grey_whiskers]

I challenge the idiots who abuse every sensible person to take responsibility and do the same.

Those idiots are all on your side, why didn't you *ping* them?

[Political Junkie Too]

Would you keep quiet if you had knowledge of 600,000 vaccine caused deaths and 50 million adverse reactions from the vaccine?

That's a false equivalency argument. No single person in the ordinary capacity of their jobs would be expected to see the entire national picture and then keep silent about it.

All the front-line health care workers who want to keep their jobs would each only see the few affected people who come through their doors, only see them for a few minutes and never see them again, and likely never know what ultimately happened to them.

-PJ

[mrsmith]

I challenge the idiots who abuse every sensible person to take responsibility and do the same.

Step up “Grey whiskers” or shut up.

[grey_whiskers]

The bigger question with events is the serious events. If someone has a heart attack and goes to the hospital, how many of those are reported? I presume that in the 15 minute waiting period, anyone with a heart attack in the waiting area should be reported. Are they? No idea. But they should be reported for VAERS to have any credibility.

What about the next day? Does the ER guy ask when the heart attack victim had their shot? Don't know but it's probably not the ER guy's first priority. Mostly going to try to help the patient.

Which shows that the serious events and/or deaths are likely going underreported.

Incidentally, a few weeks back there was a post about an internal medicine doctor who had previously participated in clinical trials, and ALWAYS got a call back within 2-4 hours when calling in an AE. This time with the coof, either the other end did not answer the phone, or they hung up knowing she was an internal medicine MD.

[grey_whiskers]

Step up “Grey whiskers” or shut up.

As several of your illustrious fellow seminar posters would say, "Help, Help! I'm being repressed."

[Tymesup]

I wouldn’t use the flu shot rejection as an estimate of the Covid shot rejection. It would be reasonable to assume higher mortality for the virus and higher effectiveness for the shot.

I agree that the media campaign isn’t needed. When the local baseball announcer (who doesn’t know baseball that well) promotes the shot, it makes me wonder.

I like your idea of asking my physician to put it in writing.

[mrsmith]

I challenge the idiots who abuse every sensible person to take responsibility and do the same.

Step up “Grey whiskers” or shut up.

[mrsmith]

“Glad to oblige Jim. There were times I couldn’t.
I don’t expect any of the liars to contribute...
No challenge can get through to them...

Well, there’s my hundred bucks.
I assume the liars won’t send anything EXTRA for their abuse of this forum.
Let me know if I’m wrong.”

[grey_whiskers]

I challenge the idiots who abuse every sensible person to take responsibility and do the same.

Step up “Grey whiskers” or shut up.

You're repeat posting. Didn't one of your friends just complain of cut-and-paste over and over on these threads?

[bagster]

Well apparently not. Apparently you CAN actually list COVID-19 vaccine as a cause of death or contributing to death.

Sweet baby Jesus. Now THA'TS horse of a different color coming from you.

After months of you loudly screaming

"NO DOCTOR EVER EVER AND EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE EARTH DOCUMENTED CAUSE OF DEATH AS THE POISON RONA VAX!!! LINK PLEASE OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, YOU ANTI-VAXXERS ARE CONFUSED AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET VAERS!!!

Now you are shown how full of the 'S' word you are, and its all like:

"Well okay, But only one".

I find it odd that every time you are shown documentation of just how wrong you are, you dismiss it with an upturned nose, a sniff, and a wave of your hand and plow dutifully onward with your canned responses.

Its really, truly amazing. It takes a certain amount of chutzpah to be that intellectually dishonest, and unashamedly so.

So we can put to bed your canned and overused talking point that NOBODY has been declared dead from taking the poisonous vax.

You just got pulled a little closer to the mud pit, in this particular tug-of-war. And you probly don't even know it.

(I suspect you do, but will never admit it).

[mrsmith]

Oooh when you ignore a point you get SO mad when that’s pointed out.
LOL!

Pay up or shut up.

[grey_whiskers]

Oooh when you ignore a point you get SO mad when that’s pointed out.

LOL!

Pay up or shut up.

Nope. Stop wasting bandwith with trolling.

[palmer]

So you agree that the VAERS reports are under reported

Both under and over. Overall they are underreported because of numerous factors that deter people from reporting. But there are obviously overreports in VAERS, pure coincidence and the reporter says so.

Have to subtract all of those. Or leave them in, that's fine too. Either way multiply by ransomnote's multiplier. That was 4 in the vanity I read a few weeks ago. Now it seems to have gone up. That's fine new info. Then compare to expected deaths if you have don't subtracted the coincidences (some are obvious, some are overt).

Or you subtract the coincidences, then multiply the remainder for underreporting, then you get deaths from vaccincation.

You are arguing in support of my position.

LOL. I am arguing in support of valid analysis. The fact that only 0.1% of vax recipients reported their fever to VAERS supports your position. That 's great , but what I think about the vax is much less important than what I think about numbers math and logic.

[palmer]

Did you happen to notice that the MDs who are most concerned about side effects (abnormal clotting, abnormal periods, cardiomyopathy, and on up to death) aren't basing their arguments on the number of missing headaches?

Yes, that's a valid point. The fact is that arguing over what is and what isn't in VAERS is like arguing over the amount of sawdust there is in your cheap dog food because you plan on eating some. It's garbage, should just be tossed.

[palmer]

Which shows that the serious events and/or deaths are likely going underreported.

No argument at all. The only question is by how much.

[mrsmith]

“Pay up or shut up.”

Nope.

LOL!

[Tymesup]

“All of them are safe and effective.”

The CDC also says the vaccines are safe and effective. They do not define “safe” or “effective”.

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They say some people have no side effects. (That’s a start).
Others have reported common side effects. (That doesn’t sound as safe).
Serious safety problems are rare. (The common side effects must be more common than rare. And there are serious safety problems.)
Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) ... occurring at a rate of about 7 per 1 million women between 18 and 49. (Any deaths? Why are there no figures for the common side effects and the other serious safety problem? (Anaphylaxis).

The CDC continues with “Long-term side effects are unlikely ... Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose.” (The vaccines use new technology. How does the history of other vaccines let us conclude that these vaccines will have few to no side effects in the future?)

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The CDC says the vaccines are effective. They provide links to four studies. These are for Healthcare Personnel, Hospitalized over 65, Essential and Frontline Workers and Residents of Skilled Nursing Facilities. (Are there no studies for the vast majority of adults? How about a study comparing the effectiveness of the vaccine for people with and without antibodies?)

[Tymesup]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety.html

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/effectiveness-research/protocols.html

[mrsmith]

Wow, all the bizzaro anti-vaxxers disappeared...

[SecAmndmt]

You pound the vax so hard and so often that anybody would think its your job.

It is his job. Look when he joined. Just in time to encourage FReepers to join in the Phase 2/3 trials?