Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety

5/24/2021 | vanity

[Jane Long]

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[phoneman08]

164,000,000 Americans have already gotten a COVID-19 vaccine. That includes over 85% of seniors who've gotten at least one dose already. There's only about 7% who claim they'll never get it.<

Fully half the population of the US has been inoculated. On average, 8,600 people die of all causes in the United States EACH and EVERY DAY. So statistically it should be expected that 4,300 immunized people will die each day. Then consider that the number of inoculated skews heavily to the old, that 4,300 is without a doubt low.

[walkingdead]

I will say this blueplum, it is nice to see people thinking about this vaccine, how long it takes to work, ect. Your question has to do with could something bad come from vaccine in a short amount of time.

While I highly recommend searching through all phases of the system I will leave you with this. That tiny synthetic mRNA that starts the process, could not make it to the starting line before they came up with this lipid casing.

In the past as soon as our immune system saw that foriegn mRNA it immediately identified it as bad and killed it. We now hide it from our own immune system to get it to the cells.

Think about that. Our immune system is screaming no, and we have to find a way around that. A way around our own immune system........so we can help our immune system? Wait, what?

[Silent One]

What we may very well be witnessing, are crimes against humanity.

May I suggest the doctors pay attention.  There is a legal remedy for such:

–“Permissible Medical Experiments.” Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10. Nuremberg October 1946 – April 1949, Washington. U.S. Government Printing Office (n.d.), vol. 2., pp. 181-182.

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

6 The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury disability or death.

8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required by him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

[bagster]

Ranting on Free Republic changes no minds and simply confuses the easily confused.

Are you saying that exposure to contrary facts and opinions cannot change minds? That anybody that even thinks about those things is 'confused' and 'easily confused'?

You have a low opinion of your fellow man.

More people would die—and younger healthier people would die—if we handed out 287 million peanut butter sandwiches or Shrimp cocktails.

Another clownish analogy. Did you know that 'vaccines', even fake vaccines like these, are not peanut butter sandwiches?

I eagerly await your links showing 4500 people died shortly after eating a peanut butter sandwich.

*rolls eyes*

[heavy metal]

they need to go back where they belong...

to the kids table to play... 😂

[bagster]

Trying to reason with that guy is an exercise in futility. You can't reason with 'stuck on stupid'.

When you debate 2aProtectsTheRest, you are indirectly debating Fauci, CDC, WHO, NIH, and Big Pharma.

[heavy metal]

taking your posts as gospel is the same as taking wikipedia’s posts as gospel...

you will never be trusted...

[MayflowerMadam]

“So, death certificates should not be trusted? Because every one of the has a cause of death listed. Are those made up?”

And if you pay any attention to true crime investigations, yes ... some are made up. Also, after a certain age, when a person dies, especially if there was an illness, there is no investigation. “Natural causes” is listed, even if the true cause was homicide. Death certificates have been revised, and sometimes decades after the fact.

When WuFlu became a boutique illness with the medical industrial complex benefitting financially from every Covid death, death certificates absolutely were made up! Motorcycle accident victims had “Covid” listed as the cause of death. My friend’s family had a month-long feud with TPTB because of this exact situation.

So, some death certificates can be trusted, and some can’t.

[zeugma]

2aProtectsTheRest is banging the fear drum enough. Don’t help them do it.

2aProtectsTheRest : Posting 2020-05-07

More likely a plant than anything else.

[Jane Long]

.....you are indirectly debating Fauci, CDC, WHO, NIH, and Big Pharma......

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Sounds like a machine.....a bot machine. 🤔

[heavy metal]

after research i noticed they were posting on threads almost 24 hours a day...

it’s probably a couple of people working behind that user name...

[ransomnote]

What we may very well be witnessing, are crimes against humanity.
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I believe we are. Our CDC receives federal funds and in 1992 setup a Foundation to which Bill Gates, George SOros et. al. donate(Bill Gates, largest donor). Bill Gates is notorious for the harm his ‘vaccines’ caused in Africa and has stated his commitment to depopulation.

So on the website the CDC says foundation donors help participate in decision making/goal setting activities.

I now consider the CDC/FDA/NIH all arms of George SOros, BIll Gates etc. They expected to have Hillary in office and she would have made these bioweapons mandatory. THere’s nothing that can excuse their repeated, focused, PR focused, consistent, malevolent lying, withholding drugs etc. While they are sometimes unable to hide their incompetence, they are not doing a good job of hiding their malevolence.

[phoneman08]

without the normal 12 years or so of long-term testing required.

Rather than Operation Warp Speed, you'd prefer operation never mind.

Have you ever stopped to consider that your anti-vaccine Jihad could well cost someone their or one of their loved one's life or months stay at the Hotel ICU?

[dynoman]

Why can’t I trust this to be what happened?

“Write-up: pt passed away with an hour to hour and 1/2 of receiving vaccine. per nursing home staff they did not expect pt to make it many more days. pt was unresponsive in room when shot was given. per nursing home staff pt was 14 + days post covid”
https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=914961

[ransomnote]

that raises a research-type question - has the vaccine fully penetrated in 48 hours, with having to migrate thru muscle and various systems before getting to the first cells much less getting those cells cranked up for production?
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It doesn’t have to ‘fully’ penetrate in 48 hours. They have two different kinds of potential allergens to explain why some people go into anaphylactic shock and die when injected.

Partially migrating into arm cells has been enough to trigger rare thrombocytopenia.

You are grasping at straws here. If they bothered to research with trials to determine the rate of uptake, they never bothered to tell us about it. Certainly their data would not be accurate beyond 2 months because that’s when the trials ended.

Actually, they lie about rate of ‘vaccine’ degradation - they use conjecture to ‘promise’ that the impact of the ‘shots’ is gone within specific days or hours but they don’t have data to prove it.

[dynoman]

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=MAN&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&SERIOUS=ON&NUMDAYS=0

That’s VAERS set to serious event, o days onset interval.

[heavy metal]

have you ever considered some of us aren’t anti-vaxxers...

we don’t care if people get the vaccine...

we don’t want people forcing us to get it...

[dynoman]

How's the quality of the adverse events reported here on FR?

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To: frogjerk

I personally know of 2 kids it messed up, like $15K in Hospital scans later we can’t explain why your Athletic 19 year old SMU honor student can’t form words anymore, but thank god she got her vaccine two days ago.

Don’t plan on the media contacting you about this.

7 posted on 04/12/2021 6:46:13 PM PDT by UNGN

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To: MinorityRepublican

Today hit a milestone: More people I personally know have been Hospitalized for bad reactions to the vaccine than people I personally know that were hospitalized for Covid.

The vaccine requirement for healthy kids is borderline criminal.

Dumbest “pandemic” ever.

5 posted on 04/12/2021 6:41:05 PM PDT by UNGN

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To: Dave Wright

My mother and father took the first Moderna vaccine shot about six weeks ago. Within a week my mother went from a very active person in her mid 80s to an invalid unable to make it from the bed to the bathroom. She has progressively gotten worse to the point that she now looks like a little death camp survivor. We and her doctors expect her to die soon. It wasn’t an allergic reaction. So your explanation fails miserably, but I am sure you can come up with something better to push these experimental vaccines on those of us who are skeptical.

I spent years working as a Hazmat Officer in charge of a Hazmat team. It was my responsibility to make risk assessments for bio and chemical hazards. I probably have had ten times as many vaccinations as most people. It is amazing to me how many of my former subordinates have refused to take these vaccines at the risk of losing their positions. The risk involved in taking an experimental vaccine should be left up to the individual and their doctor not the all knowing government, big tech and the corporate media.

10 posted on 04/09/2021 5:38:39 PM PDT by fireman15

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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I worked as a Hazmat Officer for ten years in charge of a big city Hazmat Team. I have had ten times as many vaccines as most people in my life and never had any complications and very few times when even my arm got sore. A week after my mother got the first Moderna shot she went from very active and going to the YMCA every day to an invalid who can’t make it from her bed to the bathroom without assistance. She has lost so much weight that she looks like a little death camp survivor and she cries and says that she is in so much pain that she just wants to die. These shots are not safe for everyone, and in many cases are most likely much worse for some individuals than getting Covid itself.

12 posted on 04/10/2021 9:53:18 AM PDT by fireman15

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To: Pollard

A friend of mine passed last week from Covid. He was 77 and he had the jab.

15 posted on 05/02/2021 8:38:41 AM PDT by Ben Dover

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To: Cathi

I just had a friend die 24 hours after getting the vaccine. A 52 year old male with no health issues. His death certificate says he died of cardiac arrest, which is the typical “Heart Stopped” report when no other condition can be found. There will be no VAERS report. He is not the first to die suddenly after the jab without a VAERS report.

17 posted on 05/05/2021 7:32:04 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)

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To: Enlightened1

Too late for me. Got my 2nd shot monday and let me tell you, it definitely effed me up. My legs feel weak as hell and I’m out of breath going up just a flight of stairs. Oh yeah and another thing: My right eye has a “flash blindness” that won’t go away. You know when someone shines something bright in your eye like a flash bulb and it makes your eyes see white? That’s what I’m getting on the bottom of my right eye. I have no idea if this is all from the vaccine but I didn’t have these crazy issues before.

5 posted on 05/20/2021 3:10:56 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)

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To: know.your.why

2 family members got the shingles after the Pfizer shot within a week. Looked it up and there are articles that state it’s a possible side effect. Another family friend reacted horribly to the second moderne shot. I’ve seen countless posts of side effects that last a couple of days, but the above are the worst outside of non family and friends that I’ve heard.

27 posted on 05/20/2021 4:44:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)

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[UNGN]

I personally know of 2 kids it messed up, like $15K in Hospital scans later we can’t explain why your Athletic 19 year old SMU honor student can’t form words anymore, but thank god she got her vaccine two days ago.

Don’t plan on the media contacting you about this.

[UNGN]

Today hit a milestone: More people I personally know have been Hospitalized for bad reactions to the vaccine than people I personally know that were hospitalized for Covid.

The vaccine requirement for healthy kids is borderline criminal.

Dumbest “pandemic” ever.

[fireman15]

My mother and father took the first Moderna vaccine shot about six weeks ago. Within a week my mother went from a very active person in her mid 80s to an invalid unable to make it from the bed to the bathroom. She has progressively gotten worse to the point that she now looks like a little death camp survivor. We and her doctors expect her to die soon. It wasn’t an allergic reaction. So your explanation fails miserably, but I am sure you can come up with something better to push these experimental vaccines on those of us who are skeptical.

I spent years working as a Hazmat Officer in charge of a Hazmat team. It was my responsibility to make risk assessments for bio and chemical hazards. I probably have had ten times as many vaccinations as most people. It is amazing to me how many of my former subordinates have refused to take these vaccines at the risk of losing their positions. The risk involved in taking an experimental vaccine should be left up to the individual and their doctor not the all knowing government, big tech and the corporate media.

[fireman15]

I worked as a Hazmat Officer for ten years in charge of a big city Hazmat Team. I have had ten times as many vaccines as most people in my life and never had any complications and very few times when even my arm got sore. A week after my mother got the first Moderna shot she went from very active and going to the YMCA every day to an invalid who can’t make it from her bed to the bathroom without assistance. She has lost so much weight that she looks like a little death camp survivor and she cries and says that she is in so much pain that she just wants to die. These shots are not safe for everyone, and in many cases are most likely much worse for some individuals than getting Covid itself.

[Ben Dover]

A friend of mine passed last week from Covid. He was 77 and he had the jab.

[CodeToad]

I just had a friend die 24 hours after getting the vaccine. A 52 year old male with no health issues. His death certificate says he died of cardiac arrest, which is the typical “Heart Stopped” report when no other condition can be found. There will be no VAERS report. He is not the first to die suddenly after the jab without a VAERS report.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

Too late for me. Got my 2nd shot monday and let me tell you, it definitely effed me up. My legs feel weak as hell and I’m out of breath going up just a flight of stairs. Oh yeah and another thing: My right eye has a “flash blindness” that won’t go away. You know when someone shines something bright in your eye like a flash bulb and it makes your eyes see white? That’s what I’m getting on the bottom of my right eye. I have no idea if this is all from the vaccine but I didn’t have these crazy issues before.

[Caipirabob]

2 family members got the shingles after the Pfizer shot within a week. Looked it up and there are articles that state it’s a possible side effect. Another family friend reacted horribly to the second moderne shot. I’ve seen countless posts of side effects that last a couple of days, but the above are the worst outside of non family and friends that I’ve heard.

[phoneman08]

I don’t want anyone forced to be inoculated either.

But, I will also call out what I see as lies and disinformation to further an agenda too.