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The Real Big Lie: You Can't Question Elections
Real Clear Politics ^ | 24 May, 2021 | Frank MieleMay 24, 2021

Posted on 05/24/2021 10:40:20 AM PDT by MtnClimber

Liz Cheney doesn’t get to decide what is true for the rest of us; neither, as hard as it is for some of them to believe, do the media pundits and philosopher-kings whom our society breeds like rats in a junkyard.

But they sure do try, and for the most part they have gotten away with it for decades.

Cheney has become the darling of the oligarchs the last several months because she first voted to impeach Donald Trump and because she then elected to condemn the Republican Party for disagreeing with her.

Cheney, the lone Wyoming representative in Congress, has deemed herself the conscience of the GOP. Of course, what is obvious is that she is the latest in a long line of self-appointed saviors of the party who believe the way to save the village is to first destroy it.

Her pretend friends in the media take offense when Cheney is described as a traitor, but anyone who still thinks the Republican Party stands for something fundamental and principled certainly is within their rights to question her loyalty, as her obsession with destroying Donald Trump and excising the 75 million Americans who voted for him has only one effect — to give aid and comfort to the Democrat Party and to its agenda of transforming America into a post-constitutional Marxist regime.

Listen to her preening speech the night before she was stripped of her title as chair of the House Republican caucus:

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: communism; traitor
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1 posted on 05/24/2021 10:40:20 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

She needs “TRAITOR” branded on her forehead.


2 posted on 05/24/2021 10:40:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber
What is clear is that courts do not want to get involved in political elections.

So we better have clear laws and strong penalties for not following those laws. And those laws need to provided checks and balances in the election process, accountability, and as much transparency as is possible without violating voter confidentiality, and they need to provide for thorough audits when questions arise.

3 posted on 05/24/2021 10:46:29 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: MtnClimber

Yep.


4 posted on 05/24/2021 10:47:50 AM PDT by sauropod (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: DannyTN
"What is clear is that courts do not want to get involved in political elections."

One of the things we need to do is to removed corrupt leftist judges from the courts (including the SCOTUS).

5 posted on 05/24/2021 10:50:05 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: MtnClimber

“She needs “TRAITOR” branded on her forehead.”

She needs another mark about ten inches lower.


6 posted on 05/24/2021 10:50:52 AM PDT by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.d)
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To: MtnClimber

I favor the hammer & sickle. We need to start calling them out for what they are.


7 posted on 05/24/2021 10:56:28 AM PDT by LIConFem (Don't drain the swamp. Just fill it with hungry gators. )
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To: Carl Vehse
One of the things we need to do is to removed corrupt leftist judges from the courts (including the SCOTUS).

True but that takes a supermajority of the senate to impeach judges which we aren't likely to have for some time. Or it takes a conservative President which we don't have. And at the state level it requires conservative state governors and state congressmen and voters. And even if you do that, they still aren't going to be very willing to interfere with elections. Especially not when election officers are saying everything is fine.

Trump made a lot of progress on the judiciary. But progress is now in reverse. And the more immediate solution is better election laws now. We have a better likelihood of passing better election laws that make it harder to cheat and easier to catch cheaters than cleansing the judiciary.

8 posted on 05/24/2021 10:57:22 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: MtnClimber
You Can't Question Elections

But you can question the legitimacy of the founding of the United States.

9 posted on 05/24/2021 10:57:40 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: MtnClimber

Yes, I can question the election results, and I do!


10 posted on 05/24/2021 11:02:14 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: MtnClimber

“Question everything. Learn something. Answer nothing.” Euripides


11 posted on 05/24/2021 11:06:09 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Neither safety nor security exists in nature. Everything is dangerous and has risk.)
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To: MtnClimber

What statements did she make previously when democrats questioned the election results?

Did she call out the democrats?

Hypocritical, stupid, and deranged........


12 posted on 05/24/2021 11:06:33 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: MtnClimber

Every American citizen has a right and a duty to question any election they think was fraudulent.


13 posted on 05/24/2021 11:16:40 AM PDT by Bullish (CNN is what happens when 8th graders run a cable network.)
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To: MtnClimber

The little inbred spawn of nothingness thinks she’s nobility.


14 posted on 05/24/2021 11:18:03 AM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: DannyTN

Better election laws, like the existing election laws, will simply be ignored by Demonicrats, knowing that, if it ever gets to court, corrupt judges will overturn (or redefine) the election laws to the benefit of the Demonicrats.


15 posted on 05/24/2021 11:39:21 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: MtnClimber

I wish Sarah Palin would run for Liz’s House seat.

That Bouchard guy has a lot of baggage. And Sarah would fit right in as Wyoming’s rep.


16 posted on 05/24/2021 11:46:14 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (I'll be good, I will, I will!)
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To: MtnClimber

I wish Sarah Palin would run for Liz’s House seat.

That Bouchard guy has a lot of baggage. And Sarah would fit rught in as Wyoming’s rep.


17 posted on 05/24/2021 11:47:24 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (I'll be good, I will, I will!)
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To: MtnClimber; All
Not only have the states expressly constitutionally given each House of Congress the specific power to question alleged problems with elections of its respective members, but states and the federal government have made Quo Warranto laws that allow for removal from office of fraudulently elected officials.

Additionally, by voting to ignore alleged voting problems on January 6, 2021, anti-Trump federal and state lawmakers violated their oaths to protect and defend the 12th Amendment (12A; electoral vote procedures).

Consider state winner-take-all laws for electoral votes for example. The major constitutional problem with such laws is that the states surrendered their power to make such laws when when they ratified 12A imo.

Excerpted from the 12th Amendment: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added];--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; […]"

Winner-take-all laws also effectively nullify (imo) the Houses’s express constitutional power to select a president from the top three electoral vote winners in the case that no candidate wins simple majority of electoral votes.

Excerpted from the 12th Amendment: “… and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President [emphasis added], the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.

By voting to ignore possible election problems on January 6, were crook lawmakers possibly trying to avoid public scrutiny of 12A?

All federal and state lawmakers that voted to ignore alleged voting problems on January 6 need to lose their jobs under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment (14A) imo.

"14th Amendment, Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same [emphasis added], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

Finally, the states that allegedly participated in organized vote-counting fraud in 2020 elections should also lose seats in the House under the penalty of Section 2 of 14A.

"14th Amendment, Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State [emphasis added]."

In fact, given the "or in any way abridged” broad language of Section 2 regarding the weakening of ordinary voting power, Georgia should lose House seats as a consequence of activist senatorial candidates who allegedly participated in vote-counting fraud to win their seats.

Corrections, insights welcome.

18 posted on 05/24/2021 12:02:28 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Carl Vehse
"Better election laws, like the existing election laws, will simply be ignored by Demonicrats, knowing that, if it ever gets to court, corrupt judges will overturn (or redefine) the election laws to the benefit of the Demonicrats."

Well with that attitude all is lost for decades until you get the judiciary fixed. Which isn't going to happen any time soon. And when you do, they still won't do anything because your laws are insufficient.

Better laws makes it harder for the corrupt judges to ignore.

19 posted on 05/24/2021 12:15:44 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

” What is clear is that courts do not want to get involved in political elections.

So we better have clear laws and strong penalties for not following those laws. “

Not very clear thinking.


20 posted on 05/24/2021 2:52:08 PM PDT by A strike (Were there rainbows before the Flood ?)
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