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Add The Wall Street Journal To The People Who Can't Do Basic Arithmetic
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 17 May, 2021 | Francis Menton

Posted on 05/19/2021 4:12:19 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 05/19/2021 4:12:19 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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A note of thanks to Francis Menton who allows his entire articles to be posted as long as there is attribution and a link. Much appreciated.


2 posted on 05/19/2021 4:12:34 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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A good reminder that even the WSJ can only use the “journalists” on offer from the US “journalism” schools. It long ago became worth reading only for the (usually but not always) conservative opinions and editorials.


3 posted on 05/19/2021 4:14:28 AM PDT by No_Mas_Obama
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To: MtnClimber

You need to subsidize stuff that doesn’t work.

If it worked, it wouldn’t need to be subsidized.

Why are we pushing an energy “solution” that doesn’t work?


4 posted on 05/19/2021 4:19:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("I see you did something -- why you so racist?")
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“solar panels at any location in the northern hemisphere will produce less power in the winter than in the summer.”

That’s true, but this article also ignores that power consumption is lower in the winter.

Looking at the Southwest, the only part of the country solar is truly useful, solar production is about 25% lower in January than it is in June. But consumption is about 30% lower when comparing those same months.


5 posted on 05/19/2021 4:23:13 AM PDT by Renfrew
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Why are we pushing an energy “solution” that doesn’t work?

Because it "feels" good/right. This isn't about science or math or fact, it's about feeling. Virtue signaling is social cancer.

6 posted on 05/19/2021 4:25:46 AM PDT by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That was true 10 years ago, but now even without subsidies nothing is cheaper than a mix of solar, wind, and natural gas.


7 posted on 05/19/2021 4:33:41 AM PDT by Renfrew
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If it’s actually the cheapest solution then why the HELL is it getting a subsidy??

It is not cost effective. People who say it’s cheap are either dishonest or uninformed.


8 posted on 05/19/2021 4:35:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("I see you did something -- why you so racist?")
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"The days are shorter,
and the sun is lower"

Wait, I thought it was:

"Where the days are longer
The nights are stronger
Than moonshine"

Someone clearly lied!

9 posted on 05/19/2021 4:35:48 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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You need to subsidize stuff that doesn’t work.

You got that right!!!

10 posted on 05/19/2021 4:42:35 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Renfrew

How much does solar generate in terms of total energy production in the Southwest, percentage wise?


11 posted on 05/19/2021 4:42:43 AM PDT by kabar
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If you want to get rid of fossil fuels for electrical generation there is only one solution, nuclear power.


12 posted on 05/19/2021 4:45:41 AM PDT by jpsb
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Tell that to those of us that froze our butts off here in SE Texas when the wind farm could not keep up with demand.


13 posted on 05/19/2021 4:48:32 AM PDT by jpsb
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Last year solar provided about 10% of power in the Southwest, up from almost nothing 10 years ago.

The growth is accelerating. 10 years from now it will be providing 25 to 30% of power needs.


14 posted on 05/19/2021 4:53:11 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: MtnClimber

Peruse later.


15 posted on 05/19/2021 5:00:43 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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Where are the raw materials to come from, how much diesel fuel to mine them, and what about the ecological impacts of the mining operations? The beings in the UAPs watching us must be laughing their reproductive parts off at our insanity.


16 posted on 05/19/2021 5:02:36 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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Hard to believe growth will be accelerating at the same time population growth and a greater use of electrical vehicles will place additional demands on the system. Nuclear seems the way to go.

https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=AZ


17 posted on 05/19/2021 5:07:37 AM PDT by kabar
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, but this article also ignores that power consumption is lower in the winter.

.......do you mean to infer that the further north you get, that there is no need for heat in the winter. The Southwest uses electricity for cooling in summer, less so,in winter. Surely, you don’t live in anywhere that has cold winter. Less power from the sun, and less heat from the sun, at the same time.


18 posted on 05/19/2021 5:13:07 AM PDT by drSteve78 (Je suis deplorable. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE)
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I would love if someone came up with a way for nuclear to make sense, but the economics are hard. It’s not just that the cost is high, but a new plant is a multi-billion dollar investment that takes 20 years to get built.

If I’m running a utility, I’m going to pick a collection of smaller, faster, low risk projects over a new reactor every time.


19 posted on 05/19/2021 5:15:06 AM PDT by Renfrew
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OTOH, reaching that magic 10% in solar/wind begins to add its own costs to maintaining a stable power system. We’ll see how well it continues to increase.


20 posted on 05/19/2021 5:15:31 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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