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Spike Proteins, COVID-19, and Vaccines
A new study further elucidates the role of spike proteins in COVID-19.
Science-Based Medicine
Steven Novella on May 5, 2021
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

“A recent study looks at the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins, showing that they can cause some of the harm of COVID-19 by themselves...

The Moderna mRNA vaccine produces only a portion of the spike protein, not a complete protein, and this portion is considered harmless...

After the Pfizer vaccine full spike proteins are expressed on the vaccinated cells for presentation to the immune system. But the vaccine-induced proteins do not appear to cause any harmful effects. This may be because the vaccine is administered in the muscle, and so muscle cells are the ones taking up the mRNA and making spike proteins. There is a vigorous immune response which neutralizes the spike proteins before they can cause any harm. This is very different from a virus replicating throughout the body.

Unfortunately, the complexity of COVID, mRNA, immunity, and vaccines is such that those who wish to raise fears about the vaccine can exploit partial information...”


8 posted on 05/08/2021 8:46:06 AM PDT by familyop (Only here for the tales from the rubber room.)
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To: familyop
To be honest, I do not know who or what to believe anymore...
However, why so many Doctors are coming out with this stuff?
12 posted on 05/08/2021 8:50:53 AM PDT by NachOsten (Alea iacta est!)
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To: familyop
The Moderna mRNA vaccine produces only a portion of the spike protein, not a complete protein, and this portion is considered harmless...

After the Pfizer vaccine full spike proteins are expressed on the vaccinated cells for presentation to the immune system. But the vaccine-induced proteins do not appear to cause any harmful effects. This may be because the vaccine is administered in the muscle, and so muscle cells are the ones taking up the mRNA and making spike proteins.



14 posted on 05/08/2021 8:53:37 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: familyop

Any concern for fears aside, the whole issue is so complex that figuring it out appears impossible.

I knew that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were mRNA, but I did not know they were coding different parts of this “spike protein”. I did not know that the Pfizer injection was intramuscular. I can’t tell from what you excerpted what the Moderna injection is, or what part of the protein is created.

In the end, an organism is “vaccinated” if its immune system is ready to deal with an actual invading virus. The piece wise protein introduction used in these injections does not impress me. Antibodies keyed to isolated fragments of a protein may be useless against a virus which may not even present them or has a better presentation for antibodies to key on.

Why is this virus not amenable to some kind of full-dead (X-rayed) virus injection as I believe was used with Polio?


26 posted on 05/08/2021 9:17:42 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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“A recent study looks at the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins, showing that they can cause some of the harm of COVID-19 by themselves...”

That’s exactly what happened to a friend’s dad who got the injection. He went into the hospital very sick, doctors said his lung cat scans looked exactly like covid. His doctors said you have covid. But he tested negative for covid.


55 posted on 05/08/2021 11:36:26 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: familyop; ransomnote; bagster; Jane Long; Black Agnes; Steve Van Doorn; numberonepal
You're a liar.

YOU deliberately suppressed the first half of the article which showed that pseudoviruses with spike proteins and no reproductive genetic material, caused all KINDS of problems.

In REAL LIVE EXPERIMENTS.

The second half of the article is mere assertions and speculation : The Moderna mRNA vaccine produces only a portion of the spike protein, not a complete protein, and this portion is considered harmless.

And then presents this obvious propaganda as "FACT". Is this more of the lies and bullcrap foisted by the MD at Baylor who wrote in Nature that "anti-vaxxers are linked to right-wing extremists who spread disinformation about the 2020 election" ?

Oh -- there's experimental evidence in published work from EXPERIMENTS on mice (not from from what might as well be thinly disguised press-releases from the Marketing Dept. for Moderna) that materials from the mRNA injection are found in numerous tissues throughout the body within 24 hours of injection.

66 posted on 05/08/2021 6:54:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: familyop
that site www.sciencebasedmedicine.org brave browser doesn't allow me in. I logged using firefox and about 20 warnings came up that the site changed settings on my computer. appmenu-gtk-module is he primary issue. Which firefox nor brave supports.
That site sucks
72 posted on 05/08/2021 9:03:10 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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