Hundreds of jobs available here but ‘we just can’t find people to fill them.’ Employers point to pandemic benefits where ‘folks can make over $16 an hour not working.’

hometownheadlines ^ | April 26, 2021 | Natalie Simms

[dinodino]

Your reading comprehension is apparently even worse than your developer skills. See post #56.

[rb22982]

If you want the entire hotel industry to shut down, sure. I'm sure that will be conducive to all business when folks can't travel and people have no where to go or eat out at. We're making do with overtime, which is expensive of course, but not a great solution.

I'm all for higher wages where they make sense and over time, but you just can't compete with $40k/year to do nothing. I make more than 10x amount personally, but if I could guarantee the gov would give me (and my wife) $40k/year combined with my current net worth - even I'd stop working. Why work 80 hour weeks in a high stress environment?

I know you are the resident cheerleader for just saying "Pay more!" on this site, and I agree with you on illegal labor and limiting legal immigration, but the answer to every problem is not "Pay more." A lot of times its get the government out of the way, as is the situation here.

[New Perspective]

Not all small business owners are greedy brutes dreaming of 40’ Sea Rays and and endless supply of cheap labor but a lot are.

Who gives a flying F'. It is none of your damn business what they do with their money Karen.

[dinodino]

Well said.

[rb22982]

That’s the point - this isn’t market rate. The labor market is being massively distorted by the government.

[central_va]

Who gives a flying F'. It is none of your damn business what they do with their money Karen.

But we have eyes....

[rb22982]

Yes, he is likely not very good. Apple just announced another new park in RDU NC area with 3000+ jobs with an average starting pay of $188k/yr + benefits. H1B certainly has depressed wages some for IT and I’d like it curtailed or at least changed (wage of H1B must be at 150% of position average or something), but to say it killed it and no white folks have those jobs and success is simply not true.

[crz]

What small businesses will need to do is try and become mom and pop/family stores instead of hiring. If they can not, then they need to try and offer incentives of some sort.
Overtime will kill the business so...

The only time I really made good money is when I and my wife worked together and had only one employee. The timber industry is a loser, plain and simple.
Sawmill? Now that is another story. But stay to hell away from the logging if one needs to hire. 54.50 out of a hundred for WC insurance alone in Michigan in the logging industry.

[central_va]

Wrong. There may be less hotels paying more and costing the customer more. But there will be hotels. There will be 10 hotels paying $10.00/hr for labor or 7 hotels paying $15.00 for labor.

[Blood of Tyrants]

OR. The government needs to stop paying them to not work.

[grey_whiskers]

You're simply wrong.

Companies make hiring decisions at the corporate policy level, regardless of the "talent" of the person involved. Witness the postings on job boards for "must have 5 years experience" for technology X, which has only been out a year or two.

And the recruiting function (which didn't used to exist: more corporate laziness) has been taken over by nepotism supplied by Indians who only hire Indians.

For no talent? Look what happened to Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Patel, and now Intel. They went with India, and it killed them.

Which indicates THEY have no business sense, not me.

I am a developer: at a good salary. But I've seen PhDs in their field, and in other places, forced to train their replacements to get severance, all the while management was crowing about "well, you don't really know the job, that's why we have to replace you."

For business sense, I don't worship money, and I want to keep my soul. I've seen how people become less human as they climb the corporate ladder.

I think we've established that you're a soulless, materialist, condescending prick, though.

[grey_whiskers]

What do you do for a living?

Useless executive? Or sales?

[grey_whiskers]

About time someone stuck it to management vermin, who have distorted wage rates in their own favor for 30 years. *or even 50* -- the inflation-adjusted median wage has been roughly constant since about 1971.

[grey_whiskers]

Follow up in a year and see how many of those jobs went to white males, and how many to foreigners.

[rb22982]

Hotels are already paying $15/hour for hourly associates in the vast majority of the country. Sure, there are some areas that are in the $10-12 range - like MS and AL - but not many and not where you need a lot of hotels. Our average non-salaried associates for full time associates is exactly $15/hr today and about $12.50 for part time associates.

And yes, you are correct the price will go up for goods that do exist - which means the associate and folks in general are not actually making more, which defeats the point of your cheerleading raising wages in first place. If wages go up 25% but prices for everything go up 30-50%, how does that help?

[grey_whiskers]

It's our concern if they make that money by screwing their countrymen in order to get rich off of cheap foreign labor.

While taking advantage of the relatively equitable justice system (no bribes necessary), higher education and health, and infrastructure in the United States.

[dinodino]

I think we've established that you're a soulless, materialist, condescending prick, though.

Whatever you say. I can tell you one thing: unlike you, I am directly responsible for the livelihoods of a bunch of Americans and their families. I'm proud of that. I also explained to your idiot friend central_va that I don't have one single H1B working for me, not one. You rail against evil businesses--if you don't like working for your company, then start your own and run it the way you want.

[grey_whiskers]

If you had management skills, btw, you wouldn't be whining about a shortage of software talent, your awesome world-class management skills would have devised a solution.

Because Business™!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

All the government bennies are forcing it to fluctuate upward.

[rb22982]

My 20 year career is as follows:

1) Cashier
2) Front office assistant
3) Front office manager
4) Assistant store manager
5) Operations Support Associate
6) Operations Support Manager
7) Manager FP&A
8) Director FP&A
9) VP FP&A and IR

Few other minor roles along the way and I didn't even have a college degree till #7. First 8 of those roles were with a grocery chain and current role is with a hotel company. I agree a lot of executives are useless, but there are good ones out there. I've had less than 5% turnover under me in the last 10 years, which is a pretty impressive track record of treating my folks and their folks below my directs well.