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How a Wave of Electric Trucks Could Create Millions of ‘Accidental Environmentalists’
WSJ ^ | 24 April 2021 | Christopher Mims

Posted on 04/24/2021 6:21:22 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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The tank turn would be fun until the tires shred!
1 posted on 04/24/2021 6:21:22 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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Full txt:
https://archive.vn/oOLqA#selection-3851.29-3851.35


2 posted on 04/24/2021 6:22:03 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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Do people realize what it takes to make these batteries for electric vehicles?

The cost in materials, labor, and pollution, and energy consumption?


3 posted on 04/24/2021 6:30:02 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I’d buy a used truck and put the rest of the purchase price into investments.


4 posted on 04/24/2021 6:30:17 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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And no one has discussed the disposal of the batteries.


5 posted on 04/24/2021 6:30:47 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom

No, many people are clueless.


6 posted on 04/24/2021 6:31:06 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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The 1,000-horsepower beast he preordered from General Motors is the new electric Hummer. It will be the third Hummer Mr. Dykes, whose family-owned company operates in 14 states, has owned and, at $112,595, the most expensive ...

says most people buy things based on five criteria: quality, cost, health benefits, status enhancement and emotional connection.


7 posted on 04/24/2021 6:33:25 PM PDT by plain talk
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My criticism of EV has always been about the practicality of the tech. Not that EV can’t serve in neche applications.

This is a novelty, not the same as the advantages that gas can give you in terms of reliability, affordability, efficiency, and effectiveness.

Gas engines are very reliable when maintained and can be serviced just about anywhere. They work in all weather conditions. They are way more cost effective in both materials and production. They are very efficient in getting you from point A to B with little problems.

Given the points above they’re still better than electric at this point.


8 posted on 04/24/2021 6:37:40 PM PDT by Bayard
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Has anyone figured out where we are going to get all this additional electricity generation and delivery to power all these electric vehicles?


9 posted on 04/24/2021 6:39:31 PM PDT by McGruff
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Given the points above they’re still better than electric at this point.

...and you easily can carry a full jerry can with you; much harder to carry a spare 5 gallons of electrons!

10 posted on 04/24/2021 6:41:12 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!)
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—”The cost in materials, labor, and pollution, and energy consumption?”

The article is about ‘Accidental Environmentalists’, they may not be overly concerned about details.


11 posted on 04/24/2021 6:42:03 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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On radio news this morning, a Tesla was on fire. Took four hours and 32,000 gallons of water to put out the batteries . The two in the car burnt to death. The firefighters called Tesla for help. Tesla didn’t offer a viable solution to extinguish the fire


12 posted on 04/24/2021 6:42:25 PM PDT by redshawk ( I want my red balloon. ( https://youtu.be/zNLpfEDliV0)
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—”Given the points above they’re still better than electric at this point.”

Today that is true; a moving target.

And the TCO on some is currently slightly ahead of ICE.

https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/EV-Ownership-Cost-Final-Report-1.pdf


13 posted on 04/24/2021 6:48:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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If you go to Home Depot, Lowes or Best Buy you will see rechargeable battery recycling drop-off boxes.

They can recycle lithium batteries I believe.

Well, car/truck batteries are bigger...Trust your car/truck dealer to add a revenue stream.


14 posted on 04/24/2021 6:48:50 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Has anyone figured out where we are going to get all this additional electricity generation and delivery to power all these electric vehicles?

Easy to answer!


15 posted on 04/24/2021 6:49:43 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!)
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“lithium from Australia comes from ore mining, while in Chile and Argentina lithium comes from salt deserts, so-called salars. The extraction of raw materials from salars functions as follows: lithium-containing saltwater from underground lakes is brought to the surface and evaporates in large basins. The remaining saline solution is further processed in several stages until the lithium is suitable for use in batteries.”

https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/stories/2020/03/lithium-mining-what-you-should-know-about-the-contentious-issue.html


16 posted on 04/24/2021 6:52:51 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: metmom

Or where the electricity comes from and how much is lost on the way.


17 posted on 04/24/2021 6:56:31 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (May their path be strewn with Legos, may they step on them with bare feet until they repent. )
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https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/six-largest-lithium-reserves-world/

That says about 61 million tons of lithium reserves are now known.

That is probably not sufficient to power the cars of the world in 2050.


18 posted on 04/24/2021 6:56:35 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Not to mention all the Red Chinese rare earths going into the batteries.


19 posted on 04/24/2021 6:57:09 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (GOP-free since 10/9/20)
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1,000 HP and 1150 ft-lbs torque. Sounds great for towing. But with 350 miles range empty, I bet it’s 200 or less towing a 7K lb trailer. So I can basically commute and get groceries in it?


20 posted on 04/24/2021 6:58:34 PM PDT by ETCM
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