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Florida Pushes for An Immediate Cruise Restart Through Federal Court
Cruise Hive ^ | Apr 24, 2021 | Robert McGillivray

Posted on 04/24/2021 7:11:44 AM PDT by Capt. Tom

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It is beyond me why this type of action took so long.

IMHO the blame lies mostly with the ass kissing cruise lines and the Cruise Line Industry (CLIA) that seem to be very naïve in dealing with our CDC.

I felt restarting cruises in this country was going to be a slow motion train wreck, but this saga never seems to end. -Tom

1 posted on 04/24/2021 7:11:44 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
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Why is a Federal Agency blocking legal commerce without explicit Congressional legal authorization? Or is that one of those questions we are no longer allowed to ask?


2 posted on 04/24/2021 7:15:06 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Mr. Jeeves; George from New England; cll; DarthFuzball; Tennessee Nana; Fai Mao; CodeToad; ...
Why is a Federal Agency blocking legal commerce without explicit Congressional legal authorization? Or is that one of those questions we are no longer allowed to ask?

I believe the legal system and its agencies are out of control of the people, and can get away with just about anything they want to do.

So agencies like the CDC, FBI, DOJ etc will do politically what they want to do. Who is going to stop them?

If Florida gets a favorable decision from a Judge, appeals and foot dragging can be expected to follow.
Florida and the Cruise Lines don't have the luxury of time. -Tom

3 posted on 04/24/2021 7:35:00 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (.It's COVID 2021 - The Events, not us, are still in charge -Tom)
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This is a tempest in a teapot. People are in no hurry to be crammed anywhere. They are perfectly content to be herded around in face diapers.


4 posted on 04/24/2021 8:12:59 AM PDT by Laslo Fripp (The Sybil of Free Republic)
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To: Capt. Tom

Is the assumption here that the vaccines actually work? Although, if people are now flying in packed aircraft again, maybe cruise ships are feasible?


5 posted on 04/24/2021 8:24:51 AM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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Is the assumption here that the vaccines actually work?

No, its an assertion, based on evidence.

6 posted on 04/24/2021 8:29:43 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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The Duke wrote: “Is the assumption here that the vaccines actually work? Although, if people are now flying in packed aircraft again, maybe cruise ships are feasible?”

No, the assumption is airlines are necessary for business travel. Cruise ships are not.

It should be obvious that CDC, NIH, etc., are only interested in lowering the virus risk to the absolute minimum. That’s why they keep saying you have wear a mask even if you’re vaccinated.


7 posted on 04/24/2021 8:30:31 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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Is there an estimate of % of cabins that have to be rented for the ship to earn a profit?

Regardless of vaccinations or the CDC, it would seem likely people will not fill those ships. So if they only fill 33% of cabins, that might mean the ship sails at a loss, and if it’s all open, there will be no stimulus money to keep the industry going.


8 posted on 04/24/2021 8:35:33 AM PDT by Owen
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This could be RICO...


9 posted on 04/24/2021 8:36:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: DugwayDuke

You must read reports carefully re: airlines.

The hype report is “highest TSA screenings since March 2020!!!”

The truth is TSA screenings still less than 1/2 2019 levels for a given day/weekend.


10 posted on 04/24/2021 8:37:14 AM PDT by Owen
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If Florida gets a favorable decision from a Judge, appeals and foot dragging can be expected to follow. Florida and the Cruise Lines don't have the luxury of time. -Tom

DeSantis is a fighter... don't count him out. Yeah, they'll drag their feet and DeSantis will pick them up and shove them across the finish line. He's taking this one personally.

11 posted on 04/24/2021 8:37:38 AM PDT by GOPJ (We need a better class of 'elites' - the ones we have now are more like monied white trash...)
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the planes never stopped flying...


12 posted on 04/24/2021 8:37:44 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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A good test for DeSantis, right now I would take him over Trump in 2024.


13 posted on 04/24/2021 8:39:22 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Owen wrote: “Regardless of vaccinations or the CDC, it would seem likely people will not fill those ships.”

You might be surprised at the number of people who can’t wait to get back on board. check out cruisecritic.com, one of the largest social media sites for cruises.


14 posted on 04/24/2021 9:36:10 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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Is there an estimate of % of cabins that have to be rented for the ship to earn a profit?

Regardless of vaccinations or the CDC, it would seem likely people will not fill those ships. So if they only fill 33% of cabins, that might mean the ship sails at a loss, and if it’s all open, there will be no stimulus money to keep the industry going.

Royal Caribbean has weighed in on that question. See below. -Tom

"Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. Chief Financial Officer Jason Liberty answered by saying the company could break even with use of fewer, but newer cruise ships, in lieu of older ships.

"For our newer ships, you need about 30 percent load factors to kind of break even. And then they skew to about 50 percent load factor on onto our older ships."

15 posted on 04/24/2021 10:10:23 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (.It's COVID 2021 - The Events, not us, are still in charge -Tom)
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The CEOs of the cruise lines should ban together and just start sailing again...

What's the CDC going to do?

How many divisions do they have...?

16 posted on 04/24/2021 10:54:32 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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I think DeSantis would have a better chance then PDJT. He’s young, has military service, and has been way ahead of other governors in dealing with Covid. Not to mention, the white-hot loathing and hatred of PDJT by a lot of people, especially the LSM.


17 posted on 04/24/2021 11:55:05 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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The most critical thing is he has a team working with him as governor he can bring with him and hit the ground running.


18 posted on 04/24/2021 11:58:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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That’s interesting. What is the breakdown of costs? Labor? Fuel? Advertising? How much of the total is each?

30% or even 50% sounds a little bogus. In the immortal words of Bezos and Amazon — Your margin is our opportunity.

If someone is getting 50% margin, someone else is going to undercut them


19 posted on 04/24/2021 12:00:03 PM PDT by Owen
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I’ll go tomorrow if they open up. I would love a vacation in the sun. However any requirement for face masks or distancing would be a deal breaker


20 posted on 04/24/2021 12:07:27 PM PDT by Mom MD
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