Vaccine Passports: Infringement of Rights or Key to Cruising’s Future?

Cruise Radio ^ | April 22, 2021 | Bruce Parkinson

[Capt. Tom]

Vaccine passports are certainly a subject some cruisers are facing right now.

This issue could divide some families and traveling groups of friends.

This issue is another hurdle for Cruise lines to deal with in the long term, if they get the go ahead for full ship capacity.

Running ships at 60% capacity is not the problem that running them at 100% capacity will present. - Tom

[mosaicwolf]

The “Mark of the Beast”.

[JimRed]

What about the infected and recovered, who probably have the same antibodies as the vaccinated?

[SkyDancer]

If they’re going to require something like that, why not just a stamp in your passport instead of a separate one?

[spacejunkie2001]

they infringe.

check out blinkscience.com. they have an instantaneous test that gives results asap and override the need for any vaccine.

[Capt. Tom]

What about the infected and recovered, who probably have the same antibodies as the vaccinated?

That is just one of the many things that will surface.

I am sure right now LAWYERS are reading up on how to make civil rights violation cases- for profit of course. -Tom

[ExTexasRedhead]

Check this out: The Nuremberg Code of Ethics

https://www.vaccine101.ca/post/the-nuremberg-code

https://www.fhi360.org/sites/all/libraries/webpages/fhi-retc2/Resources/nuremburg_code.pdf

Policy that enforces punitive measures if a person doesn’t accept a medical procedure, then is acting in a coercive or forceful manner, which thereby removes a persons’ ability to VOLUNTARILY decide for themselves. Such coercive and forceful policy is medically unethical, according to the Nuremberg Code. When it comes to current vaccination practices and policies, many doctors today are stating that many of the 10 ethical principals identified in the Nuremberg Code are not being met at all.

[ConservativeInPA]

Count me out. I will not patronize any business that requires any information about my health. I can do without.

[SkyDancer]

If forced then, by being taken to a vaccination site by law enforcement in restraints constitutes a war crime act.

[RedStateRocker]

Let the market decide.

I’m a strong pro-vaxx person. If someone doesn’t want to get one, fine, but any private entity should be free to tell them to stay the hell away. Just as anyone should be free to stay the hell away from an entity that requires them.

I’ve got mine, my wife got hers. If someone doesn’t get it, and they die, I’m not going to shed a tear.

I’ve already lost relatives to this, so the A-holes who have minimized this from the outset, that is treating it anything short of a serious pandemic requiring the strongest response, can FOAD and I think the world will be a better place. Any “it’s just the flu” or “Mark of the Best” nutcases that drop dead will make the world a better place, but then they would say the same thing, perhaps, of my cannabis ingesting, blasphemous, masked up ass; it’s a free country.

Science is always good; people without advanced degrees, post graduate study and academic publishing in the specific field = utterly irrelevant if not dangerous in matters of medicine. YMMV

[Nathan _in_Arkansas]

As much as my wife and I love cruising, we’ll no longer cruise if covid vaccine or vaccine passport is required.

[SJackson]

It’s the line’s choice, thus not an infringement of rights. Should it become an issue for enough travelers, some lines will be happy to find alternatives, such as a negative test. A government mandate which I could see the CDC, without authority, issuing is a major infringement. Clearly, at least for Caribbean, South and Central America and Mexico, alternative departure ports are a necessary diversification. And they’d be foolish to abandon them when the CDC relents. This is clearly a political issue, and something any international company has to consider when operating here. Obviously most important for cruise lines, where, though they generate considerable revenue for embarkation ports, with a few exceptions don’t operate within the US.

[SJackson]

I suppose they could. It's been decades since I've needed proof of a vaccination for travel and don't recall what I carried but vaccination cards have been around for over a century. I think the WHO card below is used mostly for yellow fever, that's not the reason for the color, but it or something similar would suffice. They don't issue it, just created the format. Not much different than an international drivers license. Though it would work, I'm not sure I want medical records in my passport.

[SMARTY]

“... looking at how to guarantee the safety of those ready to explore the world again...”

What’s the point?

Demanding proof of vaccination for citizens traveling while allowing all ad sundry to enter, without ANY oversight at the ‘boarder’??

[SkyDancer]

Well it sounded convenient to me not to have several booklets for each vaccination but a travel stamp in a section of your passport.

[FormerFRLurker]

Cruise ships are floating petri dishes with or without mandatory vaccinations. I’ll pass.

[Huskrrrr]

How about we see Xiden’s medical records, first?

[wardaddy]

From the article

Similarly, Denmark’s version of a vaccine passport is known as “Coronapas” and allows the holder to prove, via digital app or paper record, whether they’ve had a vaccination, negative test result, or previous infection.

[Capt. Tom]

It’s the line’s choice, thus not an infringement of rights.

I agree, because you don't "NEED" to go on a cruise.

Viking Cruises will not allow any passengers under 18 to be onboard for a Cruise.
Is that an infringement of rights ?

Laws will vary country to country.-Tom

[heavy metal]

never trust a government that opens its border and distributes thousands of disease carrying invaders across its country during a so called global pandemic...