At the very least, one can conclude that this case illustrates the limitations of prosecutors. Essentially, they created the worst of all worlds in this outcome, even if their intentions were good. The decision to stop the red-flag process left them in possession of Hole’s property indefinitely, which is at some point an unconstitutional seizure without due process. On top of that, the failure to follow through on the threat allowed Hole to acquire more firearms, which made the confiscation useless anyway.
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If you are going to have a law, use it.
Otherwise, repeal it.
Red flag laws don’t work.
Facilities for the mentally ill do.
Once again, fools think government-bureaucrat regulation is going to protect them.
Police want to do the least amount of work possible. The usual line is that it is a civil matter and not something the police can handle. An exmaple is that I was told that knowingly writing a check on a closed account was in fact no fraud but a civil matter.
My sympathies for the slain innocents and their families.
In addition, can you imagine how the mother of the gunman must feel now, having done the right thing and informed the police about his potential danger, only to have someone not follow through. No way should he have gotten those weapons. Residential help for the chronically disturbed is not always easy to arrange. There is a huge waiting list, with children getting attention first.
He sounds to have been severely disturbed.
He was a part of the “Brony” Community. That means men who idolize the cartoon character My Little Pony. Yes, that cartoon character with the bright pink mane.
Until now, I didn’t think there was anything more bizarre than the Incels. I guess I was wrong.
They had taken his gun already - the question is why the original confiscation didn’t appear in the background check for when he purchased his next gun.
BTW - The Indianapolis Star is turning this into an “anti-Sikh” “hate crime” because half of the people killed were Sikh - so that was obviously intentional (ignoring the black women and 2 wypipo who were killed)
Did they ever publicize the type of weapon he used that night?
So was this Brony a Biden supporter or not?
As BIDEN said back in 2013...
https://humanevents.com/2013/01/18/biden-we-cant-enforce-the-old-laws-so-we-need-more/
They are liable and should be able to be sued by the victims families.
On the one hand, I have to commend the court for its restraint for not imposing a “Red Flag” ruling. The Red Flag laws are bad laws, and should be repealed as soon as possible.
That said, there were a dozen other mechanisms that should have swung into action to constrain this particular subject long before he attained the opportunity to attack innocents.
It’s not “the gun”, it’s the person that needs to be dealt with, and that starts with admitting that “care in the community” is an absolute failure, and that people as disturbed as this guy should be institutionalized for their own protection not to mention the protection of society.
Did you catch that little tid bit?
“... left them in possession of Hole’s property indefinitely,”
IOW, it was their PLAN to take his proprty, without due process, and never give it back. Now if I take your property, without due process, and never intend to give it back, that is call theft. So they just flat up STOLE his shotgun from him.
By what legal authority did they do that? Would that same authority allow them to add him to the NICS list of prohibited persons?
Load up that confiscated weapon with birdshot and let the victim’s families examine and hold the weapon they kept from the mentally ill man while the prosecutor stands 8 feet away mooning them.
If the prosecutor gets more than 8 pellets in his rump, he’s fired.
AS USUAL!!
What this story demonstrates is the intentional limitations of the red flag laws. They are meant to disarm those law-abiding Americans of firearms legally held with no intent of using them wrongly, in favor or inspiring such mass shootings as this, all in order to pimp more egregious gun control policies. Nobody is fooled by the non-enforcement of red flag laws against whom the authorities are confident will carry out mass murder. Someone should notify red flag cheerleader Dan Crenshaw of this insidious plan, because he seems to have been taken for a ride.