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Is voter ID unconstitutional? North Carolina’s newest trial on that question is happening now
News Observer via MSN ^ | 4/13/21 | Will Doran

Posted on 04/13/2021 4:57:43 PM PDT by Libloather

RALEIGH, N.C. - A trial that started Monday in Raleigh will help decide whether North Carolina voters will need photo identification next time they vote.

This is the state-level trial over the constitutionality of a 2018 voter ID law. There is also a separate lawsuit, over the same law, moving forward in federal courts.

No elections have been held using voter ID since the law was passed in 2018; it was put on hold until this trial.

The trial is expected to last multiple days. Monday’s schedule included opening arguments from both the plaintiffs challenging the constitutionality of voter ID and the legislators who are defending it, and at least one witness for the plaintiffs.

“Your honors, voters will be harmed by this law,” Allison Riggs of the Southern Coalition for Social Justice, the lead attorney for the challengers in the case, said in her opening arguments. “And they are disproportionately Black ... They are voters that face barriers to voting already. And they are voters who were targeted by previous laws, and this law, in an attempt to keep Black North Carolinians from voting.”

David Thompson of the Washington firm Cooper & Kirk, who is representing the GOP legislative leaders, shot back at that claim in his own opening arguments.

“We acknowledge the deeply lamentable and indeed shameful history of racial discrimination in this state,” he said. “But SB 824 is not part of that shameful history. It is a state-of-the-art voter ID law that both seeks to secure elections and guarantee access to all registered voters.”

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


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To: Carl Vehse

If Voter ID is Unconstitutional than all laws requiring ID are also Unconstitutional. For if minorities are burdened by the requirement to have one for voting how does that burden end for requiring one to cash a check?


21 posted on 04/13/2021 6:06:46 PM PDT by lastchance
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To: Libloather
Regarding constitutionality, the only elections for federal office that were mandated by the Constitution at the time of its ratification were the elections for the House of Representatives.

Senators were selected by their state legislatures, and the legislatures selected the method of choosing Electors to the Electoral College.

After the Civil War, the 14th amendment section 2 required that if "the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced..."

This means that the Constitution required states to prove both that: 1) the people who voted were citizens (whose votes were not abridged by non-citizen voting), and 2) that no citizens were denied the right to vote.

The only way to prove the above is to have the voters produce proof of citizenship.

Note that elections for Senators didn't begin for another 50 years, so they weren't included in the 14th amendment. This could be a loophole, because Senate elections would not be impacted by the 14th amendment's section 2 since the Senate is not a proportional representation body. A devious person might argue that the 14th amendment's silence on the Senate suggests that voting in elections for Senators can be open to anyone, not just citizens.

-PJ

22 posted on 04/13/2021 6:08:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (* LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: TexasGurl24

Not true. We passed a constitutional AMENDMENT on marriage that was just vaporized by the SCOTUS.
They can rule on anything.


23 posted on 04/13/2021 6:15:37 PM PDT by Adder ("Can you be more stupid?" is a question, not a challenge.)
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To: Adder

I will never cease to be amazed at how little people know about our system of government.

I’ll try to explain this in simple terms.

We have a system of dual sovereigns. State and Federal. This is why you can be charged under both State law and federal law for the same conduct without it violating the double jeopardy clause.

The federal constitution is supreme. If a State law or Constitutional provision violates the federal constitution then the law will be struck down.

However, on issues that solely implicate STATE law or the STATE constitution and for which there is no federal issue, then the Supreme Court cannot hear or rule on the case.

It’s easiest to give an example with search and seizure cases. The 4th Amendment sets the floor. If a State tried to pass a law that said police could search your house at any point without a warrant, that would implicate the federal Constitution and SCOTUS could rule on that.

However, If a State wanted to be more restrictive under the State Constitution than the Fourth Amendment requires, SCOTUS is powerless to intervene.

A good example of this is the vehicle exception to the warrant requirement. Under the 4th Amendment, if an officer has probable cause that a vehicle contains contraband, the officer can search the vehicle without a warrant, so long as it is not on the curtilage of private property. That’s the floor.

However, New York has interpreted its State Constitution as requiring a warrant for vehicle searches. Since the New York interpretation rests on adequate and independent State grounds, SCOTUS can’t intervene and overrule it.

The same applies to this issue here. SCOTUS has ruled on voter ID laws in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 553 U.S. 181 (2008). In other words, laws like Indiana’s don’t violate the Federal Constitution. However, that doesn’t mean that voter ID is now required nationwide. State law still controls here. If a State Supreme Court interprets its own STATE Constitution as barring voter ID in that State, SCOTUS can’t overturn that decision if it rests on adequate and independent State grounds.

I quoted, verbatim from several Supreme Court cases that have already decided this issue.

Stuff like this is WHY internet keyboard lawyers shouldn’t be trusted and why there are places called law schools and a thing called a bar exam.


24 posted on 04/13/2021 6:30:50 PM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: kalee

for later


25 posted on 04/13/2021 6:34:28 PM PDT by kalee
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To: Carl Vehse

Its just asked so that they can write their article and posit libtard hypotheses about it.


26 posted on 04/13/2021 6:53:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Libloather

Hilariously biased article. Par for the course.


27 posted on 04/13/2021 7:07:51 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: TexasGurl24

Well, I am glad you are amazed. The feds WILL be involved. That’s why there is a separate case in the federal courts which, without me looking, will most likely focus on so called voting rights.
The SCOTUS rules on voter ID laws all the time...Texas, Kansas, N. Dakota..a lot of them.


28 posted on 04/13/2021 7:27:22 PM PDT by Adder ("Can you be more stupid?" is a question, not a challenge.)
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To: Adder

Completely non-responsive and, quite frankly, willfully ignorant.

This exact thing happened in Pennsylvania in 2014. See Applewhite v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

The Federal Courts can only get involved if a federal right is implicated. If the decision is based solely on State grounds, or on adequate and independent State grounds, the federal courts cannot get involved as it relates to THAT decision. A separate federal lawsuit adjudicating the federal issues may be completely irrelevant to the State issues.

So, as I already stated, this will depend on if the decision is couched solely in terms of a State Constitutional right, or if there are federal grounds involved.


29 posted on 04/13/2021 7:48:17 PM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: TexasGurl24

There are always federal grounds involved...that’s the point, right or wrong.
And why the SCOTUS will weigh in.


30 posted on 04/13/2021 8:21:13 PM PDT by Adder ("Can you be more stupid?" is a question, not a challenge.)
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To: Adder

That’s categorically incorrect.

That was the precise issue in Applewhite, and it’s why PA doesn’t have voter ID today.

When you can pass a bar exam, come back and talk to me then.


31 posted on 04/13/2021 8:31:29 PM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: Libloather

We need to go back to Property Owners only voting...


32 posted on 04/14/2021 12:09:14 AM PDT by Bikkuri (If you're conservative, you're an "extremist." If you're liberal, you're an "activist.")
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To: Libloather

You need an ID to:
Get a library card
Open a bank account
Get a credit card
Get health insurance
Stay at any hotel
Rent a car
Buy a car
Buy a home

There is only one reason voter ID is opposed.
Voter fraud


33 posted on 04/14/2021 4:36:39 AM PDT by Zathras
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