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To: JD_UTDallas

You said: “A lot more than 30 died out of the 500,000 unvaccinated in that study group removing the comorbidities which nearly every adult has is cherry picking data.”

I think that statement is ridiculous; but you will have to take it up with the NEJM...they conducted the study.

The data was supplied by the New England Journal of Medicine. They reported that in the 500,000+ in the vaccinated group 20 people died of covid. In the matched 500,000+ unvaccinated 39 people died of covid.

I will be the first to admit the results STUNNED me. I spent a half hour on the chart trying to see what I had missed because I could not believe how little benefit that study showed when you did actual comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated. As I mention in an earlier post I was “gobsmacked.”

Next, regarding vaccine deaths you said: “Take 100 million people and monitor them for a month and thousands will die in that period of time.”

That is demonstrably untrue. VAERS goes back over 30 years and currently administers 93 different vaxes and has NEVER shown after vaccine results that were even a fraction of what we have already seen with covid. In a year where almost 200,000 Americans (mostly elderly) got a flu shot the after vax deaths were in double digits. Three days ago VAERS reported we are up to 2,794 after covid vaccine deaths already and adding at a 300+ pace per week.

Add in the 233,000+ “adverse events” (going up at a rate of 28,000 a week) These vaccines are not safe and even our corrupt public health officials are starting to look more deeply. They stopped the children’s vax trials because of “concerns.” Just today the NIH reported that they have begun a study of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines to look for allergic and mast cell problems.

And Israel data (or lack thereof) is even more interesting. Unlike the U.S. Israel does not release their vax “adverse events” reports and as of Feb. 28 they have pulled out of the EuroMOMO after reports came out that “all cause mortality” for Israel had shot up and was now 4 times the level it was during 2020. It is now 3+ when the other Euro countries are at 0 or below 0.

Last, but not least, quit comparing vax vs. unvax while leaving out that in the last 15 months less than 10% of Americans tested positive for covid.

So you only have a one in ten chance of contracting the disease. Should you contract it you only have a 1.8% chance of succumbing to it. Then you have to factor in that with a vaccine you have a significant chance of being harmed or killed by the vax (and you better believe I think that most of those reported deaths were caused by the vaccine. Put the effort forth and spend some time reading the individual death reports...I have read hundreds and the details are compelling....remember those same elderly just took a flu shot and lived and they were “fat Americans with commorbidities then, too.)


90 posted on 04/08/2021 3:40:41 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi
Well, that about wraps it up, Cathi.

Let's all go home now.


95 posted on 04/08/2021 3:52:29 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Cathi; All

A very solid response, yet I went through the entire thread and no response to you.


188 posted on 04/08/2021 6:38:35 AM PDT by TheRake (If they can force you to wear a mask, they can force you to do other things. Just the beginning.)
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To: Cathi

How did I miss this post?

Thank you very much.


190 posted on 04/08/2021 6:46:29 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Cathi

Excellent!

Thank you for your very well sourced, and researched, reply.


219 posted on 04/08/2021 7:46:52 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ)
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To: Cathi

Alex Berenson:

Want real-world evidence that vaccine side effect databases do not capture ANYTHING close to the real number of adverse events, even extremely serious ones? Here goes.

Britain has a system similar to VAERS, with voluntary reporting of post-vaccine side effects.

Just a week ago, the British reported 30 cases of severe blood clotting problems, including 7 deaths, after 18 million doses of the @AstraZeneca vaccine. This is a very serious and unusual problem and it should pop out to doctors.

Yesterday, the Brits updated the number...Now they report 79 events and 19 deaths out of 20 million doses - a near-tripling of events and deaths in a week.

Did all those extra problems happen in the last week/2 million doses?

No. They are coming now because physicians are finally LOOKING for and reporting them...But if a voluntary reporting system canโ€™t catch more than a fraction of cases like this - cases where young people are dying bizarrely days after getting vaccinated - what are the odds it will pick up the deaths of older people dying in more routine ways like strokes?

TL: DR - do NOT trust articles comparing side effect rates in VAERS and similar voluntary reporting systems to background rates of disease in a population, because voluntary systems capture only a fraction of potential problems, even deadly and obvious ones.


230 posted on 04/08/2021 8:15:45 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/1/36/htm

It is generally thought that the sole function of viral membrane fusion proteins is to allow the viruses to bind to the host cells for the purpose of viral entry into the cells, so that the genetic materials can be released and the viral replication and amplification can take place.

However, recent observations suggest that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein can by itself trigger cell signaling that can lead to various biological processes. It is reasonable to assume that such events, in some cases, result in the pathogenesis of certain diseases.

Our laboratory only tested the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in lung vascular cells and those implicated in the development of PAH. However, this protein may also affect the cells of systemic and coronary vasculatures, eliciting other cardiovascular diseases such as coronary artery disease, systemic hypertension, and stroke. In addition to cardiovascular cells, other cells that express ACE2 have the potential to be affected by the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which may cause adverse pathological events.

Thus, it is important to consider the possibility that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein produced by the new COVID-19 vaccines triggers cell signaling events that promote PAH, other cardiovascular complications, and/or complications in other tissues/organs in certain individuals (Figure 3). We will need to monitor carefully the long-term consequences of COVID-19 vaccines that introduce the spike protein into the human body.

Furthermore, while human data on the possible long-term consequences of spike protein-based COVID-19 vaccines will not be available soon, it is imperative that appropriate experimental animal models are employed as soon as possible to ensure that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein does not elicit any signs of the pathogenesis of PAH or any other chronic pathological conditions.


285 posted on 04/08/2021 2:03:02 PM PDT by Cathi
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