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To: MtnClimber

The pilot is the ultimate authority, and screw ATC. He had a duty and obligation to override ATC, declare an emergency, and head straight for the nearest field. Pilot error!


4 posted on 04/06/2021 5:37:46 AM PDT by dinodino ( )
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To: dinodino

He had a duty and obligation to override ATC, declare an emergency, and head straight for the nearest field.


Isn’t that what the article said the pilot did? He landed in a field, on Long Island. Away from the populous city.


7 posted on 04/06/2021 5:43:16 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation πŸ™πŸ»πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ)
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To: dinodino
The pilot is the ultimate authority, and screw ATC. He had a duty and obligation to override ATC, declare an emergency, and head straight for the nearest field. Pilot error!

That's what I was thinking..."ATC, you're gonna give us priority, or I might drop my plane down right on top of you!"

10 posted on 04/06/2021 5:48:40 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: dinodino

Amen. I remember a time when ATC refused to give us priority (F-4 military jet) and we just declared an emergency and then TOLD them what we were going to do. We ended up shutting down the engines with 2 minutes of fuel left. If we had obeyed ATC, we’d have punched out.


25 posted on 04/06/2021 6:25:41 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: dinodino

Correct! The term of non-compliance to an ATC is “unable”

“Pan Pan Pan” and “Mayday Mayday Mayday” trump all other aircraft and controllers.....


28 posted on 04/06/2021 6:28:18 AM PDT by nevergore (I have a terrible rash on my covfefe....)
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To: dinodino
American 2H(audio), classic example of PIC authority

("we've declared an emergency, we're landing rwy(?)...get everyone out of our way")

31 posted on 04/06/2021 6:36:14 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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To: dinodino

Exactly - I’ve heard the tapes and that flight crew was not nearly assertive enough.


47 posted on 04/06/2021 7:24:50 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: dinodino

The pilot might not have been able to head to a near field. All the area may have been socked in and needing ground control help him land an airliner. I remember flying back from Gainsville in a light plane trying to land in Miami New Tamiami. It was socked in, so I flew to Homestead General. It closed in on my final. I knew about a little unused field (Aero Oasis) out in the middle of the everglade on Tamiami Trail where I landed. I would have run out of fuel if it had been socked in.


53 posted on 04/06/2021 9:47:45 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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