So the false vaccine can blind your cells to other pathogen/proteins/diseases that they should defeat; they are focused on finding the gene thereapy spike protein. Your cells have that instruction from mRNA. There's no way for you to tell your cells to go back to producing the wide range or to stop producing the Covid spike protein. There are vaccines that are protein only vaccines. Flublok, Hepatitis B vaccine are in general use. They inject proteins that are expressed on the surface of the virus they are made to protect against. So if protein only vaccines have not caused this "blinding" there is no reason to suspect that the mRNA vaccine would do the same.
From my basic understanding of what was written, the 'vaccine' changes they body's ability to produce proteins that fight any enemy cells to the ability to fight the specific (covid) cells.
The effect of an mRNA vaccine is local to the injection site (Your implication is that these vaccines cause a huge systemic change to a large number of cells through out the body). It will affect cells in that area only. Remember these vaccines must be refrigerated or the mRNA degrades. So once injected into a body the half-life of the mRNA molecule kicks in and it will be gone in a couple of days. In the mean time the cells that produce the protein will present the protein to the immune system. These cells will ultimately be destroyed by the immune system. There is no replication that is passed on to other cells. So this idea that there is no way to tell the cells to go back is wrong when it comes to mRNA based vaccines.
Is that why your guy Fauci (who you hate to defend) says the vaccine' will only be effective for a short time and then you'll have to keep on getting them?
He's not my guy. I provided information from the pfizer clinical trials as to why he would say something like this. From anecdotal evidence they are seeing reinfections to people who caught COVID-19 6 months prior. They believe recovering from COVID-19 provides at least 3 months of immunity and that it wanes on an individual basis there after. We don't know yet how long the vaccines will protect an individual for.
Will they have to design a new vaccine each time a new strain is released by the Chinese?
Probably. If you take an accidental view of this and the fact that virologists in China would likely have been vaccinated for COVID-19. Then a new strain that escapes would likely not be covered by our current vaccine.
So if protein only vaccines have not caused this "blinding" there is no reason to suspect that the mRNA vaccine would do the same. Yet the other doctor that Ransomnote cited seems to think so. And are you sure these 'protein only' vaccines act the same as this mRNA vaccine?
How are you so sure?
The effect of an mRNA vaccine is local to the injection site (Your implication is that these vaccines cause a huge systemic change to a large number of cells through out the body). It will affect cells in that area only.
Remember these vaccines must be refrigerated or the mRNA degrades. So once injected into a body the half-life of the mRNA molecule kicks in and it will be gone in a couple of days.
In the mean time the cells that produce the protein will present the protein to the immune system. These cells will ultimately be destroyed by the immune system. There is no replication that is passed on to other cells. So this idea that there is no way to tell the cells to go back is wrong when it comes to mRNA based vaccines.
This makes some sense, if true, but my Doctorate in common sense wonders how a liquid injected into the body would not disperse throughout the entire body. And again, Ransomnote's expert seems to disagree.
Then a new strain that escapes would likely not be covered by our current vaccine.
I'm not so concerned about viruses 'escaping' as I am of the Democrats and the Chinese purposefully releasing more and different man-made, biological weapons.
bagster: So the false vaccine can blind your cells to other pathogen/proteins/diseases that they should defeat; they are focused on finding the gene thereapy spike protein. Your cells have that instruction from mRNA. There's no way for you to tell your cells to go back to producing the wide range or to stop producing the Covid spike protein.stig: There are vaccines that are protein only vaccines. Flublok, Hepatitis B vaccine are in general use. They inject proteins that are expressed on the surface of the virus they are made to protect against. So if protein only vaccines have not caused this "blinding" there is no reason to suspect that the mRNA vaccine would do the same.
ransomnote:
Dear stig,
I do wonder why you won't read the content before making wishful statements about the Covid 'shots'.
Your inclusion of protein only vaccines like Flublok and Hebaptitus B actually makes you look like a disinfo specialist. Those two vaccines, while they are protein only vaccines, do not use the mRNA technology which causes the 'blinding' that vaccine experts and physicians are warning about.
Your comment 'there's no reason to suspect that the mRNA vaccine would do the same appears to be intentionaly wrong, particularly when posted on a thread specifically describing the failed history of mRNA vaccines, and the fact that they are currently ranked #2 and #3 in VAERS, out of a total of 93 vaccines, for the side effect known as 'death' after about 6 weeks of implementation
bagster: From my basic understanding of what was written, the 'vaccine' changes they body's ability to produce proteins that fight any enemy cells to the ability to fight the specific (covid) cells.
ransomnote: That is indeed what the physicians, vaccine and immunology experts I've been reading have been warning about.
stig: The effect of an mRNA vaccine is local to the injection site (Your implication is that these vaccines cause a huge systemic change to a large number of cells through out the body). It will affect cells in that area only.
ransomnote: All the animals in the mRNA platform trials died, from an overly enhanced immune response (immune response 'over-heated'), and this 'side effect' was not localized. Your response doesn't make sense because the so-called vaccine wouldn't work if it's effects were localized to the injection site.
VAERS and social media are full of accounts of cerebral blood clots, ADE, all over body rashes, fevers of 102. People feel sick for days, weeks or longer and details describe exhaustion and overall malaise.
Would be good if you read the materials before posting.
stig: Remember these vaccines must be refrigerated or the mRNA degrades. So once injected into a body the half-life of the mRNA molecule kicks in and it will be gone in a couple of days.
ransomnote: Again, your response is not logical. The systemic immune response is not gone in a couple of days.
"The Moderna vaccine is viable for 12 hours after being removed from refrigeration."
Wisconsin pharmacist deliberately removed vaccine vials from refrigerator (msn.com)
The average body temperature is 98. 6 degrees so by your reasoning the vaccine would be active for 12 hours after injection; beyond that point the vaccine is considered inactive. There are no long-term studies upon which you can base your optimism because in platform trials, all the animals died and it never made it to human testing.
The reason Fauci is saying they don't know how long the immune response lasts is because it's never been proven in studies.
Still, it doesn't matter if the effects last 3 months, 6 months or longer because you can die if you have NO immune response to illnesses long before then or experience a 'runaway' immune response to a pathogen as a result of the Covid 'shot'.
stig: In the mean time the cells that produce the protein will present the protein to the immune system. These cells will ultimately be destroyed by the immune system.
ransomnote: Medical and immunological experts explain in the post at the top of the thread, which you apparently have not read, this therapy can induce auto immunity problems and what Vanden Bossche calls 'escape', the failure of the immune system to recognize diseases during the unknown length of time the so-called vaccine is active.
stig: There is no replication that is passed on to other cells. So this idea that there is no way to tell the cells to go back is wrong when it comes to mRNA based vaccines.
ransomnote: Physicians and experts like Vanden Bossche point out there is no way to shut off the production of the protein if it's triggering anaphylaxis, cerebal blood clots or other life threatening side effects in the patient.
The duration of the effects are unknown but, for example, in the animal trials in which the immune systems over-reacted, there's no way to tell the cells to stop producing the protein and this effect need only last long enough for the person to finally stroke out or fry their own body with an uncontrolled immune response.
There is no way to tell the cells to 'go back in time to save a struggling patient.
bagster: Is that why your guy Fauci (who you hate to defend) says the vaccine' will only be effective for a short time and then you'll have to keep on getting them?
stig: He's not my guy. I provided information from the pfizer clinical trials as to why he would say something like this. From anecdotal evidence they are seeing reinfections to people who caught COVID-19 6 months prior. They believe recovering from COVID-19 provides at least 3 months of immunity and that it wanes on an individual basis there after. We don't know yet how long the vaccines will protect an individual for.
ransomnote: They intentionally selected the PCR test because it does not indicate the presence of the Covid-19 virus, which has never been isolated anyway. The inventor of the PCR test objected to it's use because it would not function in a public health setting because it would not distinguish between who is, and who is not, sick.
So the supposed 'reinfection' of a person 6 months later is meaningless. The PCR test can falsely 'identify' Covid-19 is Coca Cola and tropical fruit because it exagerates the presence of one specific series of molecular chains which can be present in both organic and inorganic, and the WHO PCR test identifies a sequence that is present in human DNA (so anyone can test postive for 'Covid' at any time if a sequence of molecules from their own DNA is present in the sample).
It's all fake, stig. The fake pandemic was created by denying all available FDA approved drugs to treat a respiratory illness until hospitalization occured and then employing ventilators which applied excessively aggressive pressure to infected lung tissue. It was furthered by forcing covid-19 patients into nursing homes to maximize death. It was wildly exaggerated by intentionally utilizing a test known to create over 90% false positives and then counting deaths occuring within 60 days of those false positives as a 'Covid death'.
The mRNA 'shots' were developed using failed technology and basing 'results' on a test that can't determine if you are sick. The absence, to date, of any isolated sample means the tests were not developed to identify the actual virus. That's why the inventor of the test was vehement about not using the PCR for the planned-demic. You'd know this if you read the content at the top of the thread.
bagster: Will they have to design a new vaccine each time a new strain is released by the Chinese?
stig: Probably. If you take an accidental view of this and the fact that virologists in China would likely have been vaccinated for COVID-19. Then a new strain that escapes would likely not be covered by our current vaccine.
ransomnote: The vaccine is the real biowarfare agent and they are not done attacking the public with it yet. There's no reason to outsource the human immune system; we can let it function as it has throughout human history without relying on the next untested experimental 'dose' to come down the pike.
The effect of an mRNA vaccine is local to the injection site (Your implication is that these vaccines cause a huge systemic change to a large number of cells through out the body). It will affect cells in that area only. Remember these vaccines must be refrigerated or the mRNA degrades. So once injected into a body the half-life of the mRNA molecule kicks in and it will be gone in a couple of days. In the mean time the cells that produce the protein will present the protein to the immune system. These cells will ultimately be destroyed by the immune system. There is no replication that is passed on to other cells. So this idea that there is no way to tell the cells to go back is wrong when it comes to mRNA based vaccines. Top. Kek.
Here's an nice article on a mechanism for spike protein in the brain, based on dissemination of viruses from the jab, away from the injection site, via the lymphatic system. (hat tip Cathi). Experimental results on mice. https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n958/rr-1
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"Although, the modern viral vectors that are used in CoViD vaccines are silenced (replication-deficient), each dose of the vaccine contains a very high viral load (e.g., 50 billion viral particles per dose in Ox/AZ or J&J/Janssen CoViD-19 vaccines whereas 100 billion viral particles per dose in the Sputnik-V). The viral particles are unlikely to be confined to the muscles at the injection site; they are free to distribute across the body and drain through the lymphatic system; their apparent volume of distribution is likely to be very high. The biodistribution of ChaAdOx1 containing HBV in BALB/c mice (study 0841MV38.001) indicated the highest viral levels at the injection site, but low levels of virus were still detected after 24 hours of injection in all other tissues (including blood, brain, heart, inguinal lymph node, kidney, liver, lung, gonads, and spleen). The proportional tissue distribution of viral vectors in the body tissues away from the injection site was likely to increase with time, however, biodistribution beyond 24h post-dose was not studied. The biodistribution of ChAdOx1 encoding nCoV-19 following intramuscular injection in mice (study 514559) was ongoing at the time of its regulatory approval [4]. The study 514559 was aimed to examine the biodistribution of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 in bone marrow, brain, spinal cord, sciatic nerve, and other body tissues. The data from this study is not yet available in the public domain but this might provide evidence of vaccine delivery in the brain. We, therefore, agree with your comments that all vaccine-related data and analyses in possession of the regulatory authorities must be published in full without any further delays."