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Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?
pjmedia.com ^ | 3/19/2021 | bryon preston

Posted on 03/20/2021 9:54:12 AM PDT by bitt

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To: Hootowl99

You are a little bit off on the 110 volt 12 amp car charger. It is more like 20 hours for a full charge from 25%. The 220 is about right at 8 to 10 hours. The commercial fast chargers can take up to 1.5 hours but you generally don’t fast-charge to 100 percent because of the amount of heat generated in the battery while you are stuffing all that electricity in there. I get 80% from about 15% in about 55 minutes. I can go 200 miles at 80% and get down to 15%. Fast chargers are all over the place. I went from Northern California to Southern Washington in 15 hours. That’s about 600 miles. I left home at 90% and made 3 stops to charge along the way at 1 hour each stop.


161 posted on 03/21/2021 11:22:10 AM PDT by webheart (COVID was not worth the economic misery that it took to keep me from getting it for 7 months..)
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To: Olog-hai
Living in So. California, our main concern would be A/C and how much that draws from the battery. Other areas have the same concerns. Summers in So. Arizona are stifling. Then you have the Southeast States with their heat and humidity. Pretty much the bottom third of the US will need A/C.

As someone mentioned above, what about long distance 18 wheeler trucks, not to mention long commercial trains. They both run on diesel and electric batteries that need recharging are just not feasible. Then you have airplanes. I'm all for chores around town and to work and short trips for entertainment.

Question not asked: If the government got rid of oil production, what would be used for plastics and other products that rely on oil by-products? Look around your office, your medicine cabinet, your entertainment systems - they all use plastic. Yes, I know about innovation. Are the chemists now addressing replacement for said by-products?

162 posted on 03/21/2021 11:36:21 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1776. Death Certificate - 2021 under Biteme.)
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To: A Navy Vet

For example, when I plan a trip from Memphis to Tullahoma, TN there are four Electrify America fast charging stations along my route... I may need only one of them to top off my battery for the 275 mile trip. The stop would only take about 20 minutes - enough time for a rest stop and a snack. Now that is not taking my battery from empty to full. That may take two full hours at a fast charge location. But that is rarely needed. Most EV drivers going on a really long trip plan out strategic stops and only fully charge at a place where they are staying overnight or for several hours.

Go to Google maps and plan a route. Then add “charging stations” as an option. You will see a lot of them on your route.


163 posted on 03/21/2021 12:12:40 PM PDT by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: Drawsing

Thanks for the explanation.


164 posted on 03/21/2021 12:16:16 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1776. Death Certificate - 2021 under Biteme.)
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To: Cold Heart

Well there’s the Bolt - that’s an EV not a hybrid however.
I thought they were pursuing more hybrid alternatives.


165 posted on 03/21/2021 2:01:56 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: DesertRhino

Anywhere where the market is deregulated it seems like chaos in the order.

If you know of a deregulated energy market that works point me to it. I’ve worked in the energy industry for 2 decades and all of them are horrible in my experience.


166 posted on 03/21/2021 2:05:03 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Hootowl99

Keep tabs on the EV industry - that market is exploding right now.

Battery manufacturers are building like crazy in TN, OH, and GA for all types of makes/models coming up.

In about 3-5 years there might be a type that meets your needs, but the infrastructure needs to be built and that will take some time.

Regarding fuel cells, I wouldn’t bank on that. One major grocery chain who will remain unnamed had an incident that caused significant damage out in California a few years back. Word got out and it’s not really considered a safe technology anymore.

Good chatting with you! Good stuff!


167 posted on 03/21/2021 2:13:06 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: ctdonath2
Proof by assertion and argumentum ad lapidem.
168 posted on 03/21/2021 2:21:44 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

they can go toot their electric cars in Europe.

We’re sticking with any company that makes good ol’ gas guzzlers.


169 posted on 03/21/2021 3:28:23 PM PDT by bitt (America is the Home of the Brave, not the regime of the silenced.)
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To: Olog-hai

[shrug] I’m not proving anything. Those who have tried EVs mostly like them. Major auto makers are shifting to producing them on a large scale. Governments are facilitating, when not compelling, their adoption. The technology is rapidly improving. Charging options are increasing. Most naysayers are depending on increasingly obsolete arguments. At some point cost & convenience wins out.


170 posted on 03/21/2021 3:31:46 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The claim of consensus is the first refuge of scoundrels.)
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To: ctdonath2

So more proof by assertion to allegedly not prove anything?

There is no such thing as an obsolete argument, any more than (as we increasingly discover daily) ther is any such thing as obsolescence. Those who follow the path of communistic “planned obsolescence” run into this obstacle whether they wish to or not.


171 posted on 03/21/2021 4:20:47 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: webheart

Thanks, for fixing...

Cheers


172 posted on 03/21/2021 4:29:18 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
“Deregulated energy markets always cause problems. California and rolling blackouts are another example of it.“

ha are you freaking joking? California REGULATED themselves into the dark. It’s an example of total regulation by leftist government.

Do you even live in Texas? I have been here for forty plus years and I can tell you our problems were only recently created by left wing policies that forced the closing of multiple coal power plants and introduced the commie LIE of wind and solar energy. We also ceded control of the grid to a bunch of left wing kooks with Ercot. Why do you think so many of them resigned? They are running for cover to avoid having to answer questions about what they were up to.

173 posted on 03/22/2021 1:44:52 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Alberta's Child
More than 30 people froze to death in TEXAS. That's something that can only be accomplished by commies. Actually, I think that's something that can only happen when you have affluent, lazy people with absolutely ZERO survival skills living in suburban settings.“

Zero survival skills? In Texas? There were over a million people without power for days in single digit temperatures in an area that sees cold temperatures in that range only a few times in a century. Had a disaster of this magnitude happened in a blue state utopia thousands would have died.

174 posted on 03/22/2021 1:56:59 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Alberta's Child

A word of caution: seasonality.


175 posted on 03/22/2021 2:12:05 AM PDT by monocle
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To: precisionshootist
In my professional circles, the people in Texas who were: (1) least prepared for the cold snap, and (2) complaining the loudest about the power failures -- were almost universally those who had relocated to a major urban area of Texas in the last ten years from another urban area in a "blue" state. And many of these people are also first or second generation Americans from immigrant families, too.

I suspect real Texans generally held up well under those difficult circumstances. I also know that real Texans are disappearing among the hordes of ill-prepared new arrivals from other states -- and from Asia and Latin America.

176 posted on 03/22/2021 2:42:15 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
They are working on this. The newer cars will be able to take in all 150kW and cut that charge time down to 30 minutes or less.

The Tesla 3 is cable of drawing ~250KWH at the new version supercharges. The S and X models built after the Tesla 3 was introduced are also capable. The charge rate starts to drop off the battery is at 50% or so. It doesn't make sense to charge past 80% unless you really need the range. The problem is the version 3 superchargers are rare outside of big metro areas.

The model 3 charging is limited at the older supercharging station to the charging rate at the station which I believe is ~140KWH under ideal conditions. If the charging station is full, then you are sharing power with car next to you.

177 posted on 03/22/2021 3:20:57 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
...very convenient when fuel prices are through the roof or supply sucks...

The same can be said for gas powered vehicles when electric prices are through the roof or supply sucks.

But you're absolutely right-the government should keep its sticky fingers off this issue and let the market function as it should.

178 posted on 03/22/2021 3:34:56 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (CGI Joe: The best president Chinese money can buy.)
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To: bitt

Why isn’t roof of an EV a solar panel? Serious question. You park in the summer sun and then the sun can trickle charge the battery.


179 posted on 03/22/2021 3:50:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

just outta curiousity, how much for a full charge from low??


180 posted on 03/22/2021 4:01:11 AM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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