‘It’s a very special picture.’ Why vaccine safety experts put the brakes on AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine

The decision this week by more than 20 European countries to temporarily stop using AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine has opened a rift between vaccine safety experts, who say the cases of serious clotting and bleeding that triggered the pause are alarming and unusual, and public health officials concerned that the immunization pause on a continent in the grip of the pandemic’s third wave could take a heavy toll.

“The harm caused by depriving people of access to a vaccine will likely vastly outweigh even the worst case scenario if any link to the clotting disorders is eventually found,” University of Leeds virologist Stephen Griffin told the United Kingdom’s Science Media Centre. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) and the World Health Organization have recommended that countries continue immunizations while they investigate the reports.

Scientists don’t know whether the vaccine causes the syndrome, and if so, what the mechanism is. “Everyone’s scratching their heads: Is this a real signal?” says Robert Brodsky, a hematologist at Johns Hopkins University. But vaccine safety officials say they did not take the decision lightly, and that symptoms seen in at least 13 patients, all between ages 20 and 50 and previously healthy, in at least five countries are more frequent than would be expected by chance. The patients, at least seven of whom have died, suffer from widespread blood clots, low platelet counts, and internal bleeding—not typical strokes or blood clots. “It’s a very special picture” of symptoms, says Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency. “Our leading hematologist said he had never seen anything quite like it.”

By its very nature, science is almost never “settled”.

Stifling discussion and critical viewpoints serves zero purpose.

Further what we are seeing on tv is not true science.

It is 100% politicized science.

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What happened to my right to participate in my own medical treatment? Why can't I consult experts I trust and make a decision to use FDA Approved HCQ or Ivermectin?

I feel like we're being put in crates and taken to the veterinarian's office where our owners will tell our doctors what to give us and what we are not permitted to have, even if we beg.

A veterinarian with zero credentials on the subject.
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Veterinarians study human medicine as well as having to master the biology, physiology and pathology of a number of different species. In many farming communities, the vets utilize the local hospital labs. The meds the vets use are, in most instances, the same ones from the same companies and the same production facilities as those for humans. I have been told repeatably that it is more difficult to enter and graduate from vet school than from medical school.

The chief expertise of veterinarians is immunology and epidemiology. The examples vander Bossche cites come from well-known examples in flocks and herds that are proof that vaccines are only effective before a disease reaches epidemic proportions.

It is the act of vaccinating individuals in the midst of a pandemic that drives virus evolution to create more transmissible (and perhaps more lethal) strains.

The horses vander Bossche treated were Olympic-level athletes worth millions of dollars. He also served as the EU equivalent to our head of the CDC. He worked for Gates, in GAVI, IIRC.

Many military corpsmen were veterinarians in private life. Biden is tapping vets (and dentists) to give inoculations. By comparison, at the height of the Covid-19 epidemic, most of the clinicians in Chicago’s public hospitals were residents (aka: Fellows). They were essentially in training, needed a lot of supervision, much by experienced RNs (with battlefield/field hospital experience). They went *by the book* as told by administrators and many people died unnecessarily.

Around 20-25 years ago, there was an epidemic of foot & mouth disease among cattle. Our county vets formed a task force, designed controls and quarantine and other safety protocols for every farm that successfully stopped the spread and saved the livelihoods of every producer.

Side note: when my husband lost the tips of 2 fingers in a lawn mower accident, it was our vet who patiently instructed me in how to cleanse the wounds and change the dressings. All the expensive doctors and nurses and PAs did was hand out a sheet that did not go into any detail or teach technique. This same vet is never too proud to say “I don’t know”. He will then consult and research the question and come back to the owner with an answer. Recently, my husband’s APRN wanted run tests for a calcium level she said was excessive. This same vet showed us that it was not only in normal range, but within .1% of absolute *normal*.

Heard a story recently from the 1960s. A teacher was asking her class the name of their local family physician (have no idea why). One child from a large and poor farm family named a vet. All 11 kids survived to adulthood and were healthy.

Fauchi never treated a patient of any species. I have listened to vander Bossche, read his statements and took the time to research him. What he says makes utter sense. I have physicians & APRNs in my family and have had many friends who were MDs and RNS. I have slightly more training in human biology, physiology and pathology than the average person and spent 13 years caring for someone with C5-6 quadriplegia. I have worked under physicians in hospitals. I was educated in the 40s-60s and know how to research & evaluate what I read.

We will know this coming Fall and Winter.

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