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‘It’s a very special picture.’ Why vaccine safety experts put the brakes on AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine
sciencemag.org ^ | Mar. 17, 2021 | Gretchen Vogel, Kai Kupferschmidt

Posted on 03/18/2021 2:04:10 PM PDT by ransomnote

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To: ransomnote
"I think all those regions were alarmed by patients’ response to that AstraZeneca lab experiment on them so they paused administration, an then our medical facists were alarmed that it would impede planned rollout here. So the US probably heckled the EU to ‘make it right’ and VOILA! All those countries reporting medical problems are ignored and now the bureaucrats are ‘right’."

You nailed it.

21 posted on 03/18/2021 3:05:40 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress)
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To: ransomnote

A veterinarian with zero credentials on the subject.

Stop with the games.


22 posted on 03/18/2021 3:07:02 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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LOL at CBS just now reporting:
U.S. looking to loan AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine doses to Canada and Mexico
CBS News|52 minutes ago

"White House press secretary Jen Psaki confirmed Thursday the U.S. is looking to "loan" a total of 4 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine to Canada and Mexico — 2.5 million to Mexico and 1.5 to Canada."

"Oh sure, sure, good stuff, cmon man! No, no need to repay it back, Senor Labrador. Enjoy! Gotta go President Harris is saying there is tapioca pudding left!"

23 posted on 03/18/2021 3:08:51 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress)
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To: ransomnote

From what I have read over the last couple of days, the incidence of clotting among those receiving the AZ vaccine is no different, or even less than among those not receiving it.


24 posted on 03/18/2021 3:09:24 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: Republican Wildcat

Most of what was known through 2015 about coronavirus vaccines was by veterinarian researchers.


25 posted on 03/18/2021 3:10:03 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: ransomnote

ransomnote, you wrote, “All those countries reporting medical problems are ignored and now the bureaucrats are ‘right’.”

Yes, it is amazing how naive many people are to how these decisions are actually made...:-) The following is a short part from a “hacked” and confirmed by the EMA as an accurate email which provides information on how these “decisions are really made.”

“At a minimum we can say that the TC was interesting, the atmosphere was rather tense, at times even a bit unpleasant, and provides a hint on what EMA may expect if the expectations are not being met, irrespective if such expectations are realistic or not.

The real added value of today’s TC in my view is that we have more clarity now on what may not be acceptable now to the EC, i.e. a delay of several weeks between the authorization granted by the FDA/MHRA (under whatever form) and a CMA opinion issued by the EMA. The political fallout seems to be too high, even if the “technical” level at the MSs (as it was referred to by the commissioner) could defend such a delay in order to make the outcome of the scientific review as robust as possible.

Although we know the whatever we do (speeding up the process to align as much as possible with the approval timing by the FDA/MHRA versus taking the time needed to have robust assurance in particular as regards CMC and safety will have a very big challenge addressing questions and criticisms from the various parties (EC, MSs at political level, EP, media, the general public) in case of delay of several weeks.”


26 posted on 03/18/2021 3:10:06 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: ransomnote

But none of those who died from the vaccine caught COVID.


27 posted on 03/18/2021 3:10:42 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: ransomnote

I remember reading a version of that — amazing!


28 posted on 03/18/2021 3:11:01 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: ConservativeMind

I knew a few Thalidamide kids: they had arms or legs only a few inches long. Caution is not a bad thing.


29 posted on 03/18/2021 3:16:44 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: ConservativeMind
We keep being told no one can die from a COVID-19 vaccine. We even have a few here on Free Republic that maintain that. Any death of a previously healthy person is from random chance—especially if they all die of the same strange symptoms. By the way, people who don’t want a COVID-19 vaccine are to be laughed at.

I heard something the other day that makes me wonder. Something about needing to sign something when you get the vaccine, and the fine print says that you are "participating in a study", and that many life insurance policies exclude benefits if you die from doing so. So...maybe they say a person didn't "die from the vaccine" so beneficiaries can collect.

FWIW
30 posted on 03/18/2021 3:19:36 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: Republican Wildcat
A veterinarian with zero credentials on the subject.

Stop with the games.

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You're the game player.

Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD

Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD, DVM, is a vaccine research expert. He has a long list of companies and organizations he’s worked with on vaccine discovery and preclinical research, including GSK, Novartis, Solvay Biologicals, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Dr Vanden Bossche also coordinated the Ebola vaccine program at GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization).

I quoted the text above from this link:

Geert Bossche: Halt All Covid-19 Mass Vaccination (Open Letter to WHO) (dryburgh.com)

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To: ifinnegan

My spouse, a PhD who works on clinical trials, was not all that impressed until I provided a more complete resume...You seemed to question a DVM, but I have been told it has been more difficult to get in to Vet school than Med school.

Video has Vanden Bossche employment history at 3:13 minute mark—numerous senior roles, all vaccine related at GSK Biologicals, Novartis, Solvay Biologicals, Bill Linda Gates Foundation, GAVI, Univac, and Vareco.

Vanden Bossche studied at Ghent University for his M.D. in Veterinary Medicine from 1980 to 1983. He then obtained his Postdoctoral training in Equine Medicine and Surgery at the Free University of Berlin (1984-1987).

From 1990, Vanden Bossche underwent a Postdoctoral Fellowship in Virology at James A. Baker Institute for Animal Health, Cornell University in New York.

He was board certified in Veterinary Virology in 1990. Two years later he was Board certified in Veterinary Microbiology and Animal Hygiene. What boards? Well likely in Europe.

Some of the other universities where Geert Vanden Bossche has worked as an academic include the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin, the University of Hohenheim in Stuttgart, the REGA Institute, KU Leuven in Belgium.

Open letter? Not written by him? Uh I think it was...Yes, he tweeted it but he wrote it too...(search is your friend), and I think it was on Linked-in, which you, having such credentials, can probably verify.

https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6dedb66a43fe9a6548f/files/bead7203-0798-4ac8-abe2-076208015556/Public_health_emergency_of_international_concert_Geert_Vanden_Bossche.01.pdf

The schedule for the summit you provided was labeled tentative, so perhaps he changed the subject? Don’t know...

So you have PhD and DVM, post-doc, 30 published papers, worked for several pharma companies? Good to know, I will be looking to your posts for expertise on vaccines and future COVID threads. You did not list your similar credentials BTW.

So I don’t think he is spouting “crackpot drivel” I don’t know if he is right (and I hope he is not), I don’t agree with everything he says—he is very pro these vaccines. However, he is stepping out of comfort zone to make these statements, and so I admire him for that.

I have spent a lot of time providing you with links...It is late. Have a good night.

67 posted on 3/16/2021, 10:11:32 PM by Freedom56v2 (Republicans will get the government they deserve if they do nothing :()
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31 posted on 03/18/2021 3:21:45 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: BikerJoe
maybe they say a person didn't "die from the vaccine" so beneficiaries can collect

I have seen this work with other death "issues"--local docs and medical examiners will tend to side with the families (beneficiaries) over the insurance companies in determining cause of death--particularly if there is significant uncertainty. The approach they use is not to ask too many questions or probe too deeply.
32 posted on 03/18/2021 3:25:31 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Yes. It is.


33 posted on 03/18/2021 3:27:17 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: ransomnote

Our society is inching to the premise of “I am Legend” territory.


34 posted on 03/18/2021 3:28:16 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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And not one of them gives a crap about any of the now dead people.

oh that s a head scratcher all right. Took an unnecessary experimental medicine and died. We didn’t think that would happen. We also ignore anyone critical or trying to discuss warnings, becuase when we blanket label them as “anti-science” we get a whole lot of other people to attack them for us.


35 posted on 03/18/2021 3:39:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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I saw only one, in NYC where millions of people pass by every day, and that is because it was a tragedy in countries where they did not have our FDA, not here.


36 posted on 03/18/2021 3:55:20 PM PDT by firebrand
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And not one of them gives a crap about any of the now dead people.

oh that s a head scratcher all right. Took an unnecessary experimental medicine and died. We didn’t think that would happen. We also ignore anyone critical or trying to discuss warnings, becuase when we blanket label them as “anti-science” we get a whole lot of other people to attack them for us.

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I miss the days when more than one medical opinion was tolerated. Now a second opinion on the Covid Vaccine can get a doctor fired. Speaking in public about possible side effects and warnings gets Doctors/Researchers fired/stripped of credentials/stripped of hospital access etc.

I miss the days when bureaucrats didn’t over rule my doctor and my pharmacist. I miss the days when doctors could be doctors and my treatment wasn’t being directed by Pfizer and others in control right now.

I miss the days when lying to the public about matters involving medical health wasn’t tolerated. Those were the good ol’ days.


37 posted on 03/18/2021 3:56:50 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: firebrand

One I knew was in my first grade class in NC.

I met another a few years later in VA.


38 posted on 03/18/2021 3:59:02 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: shanover
Our society is inching to the premise of “I am Legend” territory.
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I feel like we;re being shoved into I Am Legend territory by people who know little or nothing about medicine and serve other, non-medical agendas.

Kary Mullis invented the PCR test and felt it was not appropriate for Covid-19 and he was ignored. In an old interview, Mullis said Fauci is a liar.


39 posted on 03/18/2021 4:05:31 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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By its very nature, science is almost never “settled”.

Stifling discussion and critical viewpoints serves zero purpose.

Further what we are seeing on tv is not true science.

It is 100% politicized science.


40 posted on 03/18/2021 4:07:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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