[DoodleDawg]

The 14th amendment *IS* naturalization. Natural citizens don't need it. Those who need the 14th to be citizens, aren't natural citizens.

As logical as your crap usually is.

[DiogenesLamp]

If I though I could get any intellectual honesty out of you, I would ask you if we had natural born citizens prior to the existence of the 14th amendment.

If you answered "yes", then I would ask you how a citizen that needs the 14th amendment to be a citizen, could be the same as those who didn't need it to be a citizen.

But I think it would be an exercise in futility for the both of us.