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If I though I could get any intellectual honesty out of you, I would ask you if we had natural born citizens prior to the existence of the 14th amendment.

If you answered "yes", then I would ask you how a citizen that needs the 14th amendment to be a citizen, could be the same as those who didn't need it to be a citizen.

But I think it would be an exercise in futility for the both of us.

If I though I could get any intellectual honesty out of you, I would ask you if we had natural born citizens prior to the existence of the 14th amendment.

Yes. Honest enough?

If you answered "yes", then I would ask you how a citizen that needs the 14th amendment to be a citizen, could be the same as those who didn't need it to be a citizen.

Because your buddy Roger Taney and his Scott v. Sanford decision. The 14th Amendment overruled that. Federal law also includes the language of the 14th Amendment - "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and identifies the other ways natural-born citizenship is acquired.

But I think it would be an exercise in futility for the both of us.

It certainly would. But it's fun for at least one of us.