He just told me that you can have 90% and it’s still not socialism. It’s capitalism.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated: but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. . . . This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” —C.S. Lewis
The conversation continues.
Liberal: Socialism has nothing to do with taxation, let’s get that out of the way. The US has two major parties, one reactionary and one conservative/progressive.
Progressivism is just the idea that for the society to improve new ideas need to be tried.
The difference between socialism and communism is that the state still exists in socialism while in communism it’s been removed along with money.
A world war isn’t something that includes the whole world but fighting in the whole war, the one that came closest was the Vietnam war as some fighting was done in Laos. Furthermore the Vietnam war was between Vietnam and foreign invaders a effectively, south Vietnam was only a puppet government on the hands of France first and then The US. WW2 wasn’t started by a communist or socialist, but by a Nazi, the republicans are closer to Nazism than the democrats are to even socialism.
Communism and socialism was simply a reaction to the failures of laize-faire capitalism, along with fascism and Nazism that is. Same way laizes-faire was a reaction to mercantilism.
the amount of divergence between word and action is always a pretty good estimate of ability an good will
As the old Italians say, "when the donkey brays, don't answer it."
You should explain to him that means of production is being Nationalized through regulation and taxation. No one is going to make an official announcement and if he thinks that's what happens, he's not paying attention.
It’s official.
Liberals/leftists/demoncrats are no longer our political “opponents.” They now are the mortal enemies of everyone who supports the ideals of a Constitutional Republic and individual liberty.
The best response to this wooden-headed loon is “ i hAve found yout an argument, sir. I am not obliged to find you an understanding.”
The problem with socialism is that it never works.
Do NOT let them change the subject! EVER!
Liberal: ohhh were all the way down there. I would wager that you could sue your prior schools for lackluster schooling.
Your only response to this snarky remark is to bring it back on topic!
The first thing I would have said is. “You think Trump and all his supporters are Nazis, right? They are obviously NOT Nazis because they don’t CALL themselves not Nazis. Mic Drop.