Posted on 02/05/2021 5:52:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
“We also noted that vaccine reactogenicity [expected reactions] after the first dose is substantially more pronounced in individuals with pre-existing immunity akin to side-effects reported for the second dose in the phase III vaccine trials [of both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna],” the researchers stated.
What’s in it for them, then p, that they are still pushing for people to be vaccinated?
Sure, obviously the money, but considering how little I trust any government or big pharma these days, there has to be more to it.
RE: Its not additive, the mRNA platform demonstrated T-cell immunity immunity (Memory immunity) at about 8 weeks.
OK, if the body will gain Memory immunity, meaning it “remembers” the invader, will this memory last a lifetime?
As an analogy, I remember my first girlfriend from 40 years ago and saw her after 40 years. Still remember her. Is this the same kind of memory?
Second question, will this memory immunity only be good for one variant of the virus? That is, do they need to develop another vaccine for every new variant?
I might remember my girlfriend from 40 years ago, but if she has a sister who looks closely like her, I am not sure I will recognize her.
Coronavirus immunity, mainly based on animal studies, has generally been taken as a matter of months. And you have to differentiate between t-cell and antibody immunity.
One thing most people don’t realize is that additional cv infections tend to sensitize the immune system and result in subsequent illnesses being worse. This is why the booster shot is being linked to a greater degree of side effects. In an extreme case you get sensitization to an extreme degree, such that a cytokine storm occurs and possibly death. This was seen in animal studies 15 years ago. This is one reason I don’t want the vaccine: more immunity ==> possibly fatal reaction to an otherwise moderate illness. Also called Antibody-Dependent Enhancent (ADE).
Its a little more complex than that. There are many types of T - cells, T-helper, Memory cells, and IIRC NK cells (natural killer T-lymphocytes). Its been a long time since I took immunology so I am a little out on a limb here, fair warning, but the long and the short of it, is that the T cells that have memory surveil the body for an infection it recognizes (Ie you girlfriend from 40 years ago). It is “smart” enough, or genetically programmed to delineate between your girlfriend and sister. So when it sees your GF sister, it has no reaction, when it sees your GF it becomes — I suppose by analogy — aroused. It interacts with other members of the immune system to crank out antibodies quickly and quell any infection before it takes hold.
I do not remember exactly what cell does what, I think the CD 8+ cells are memory cells and the CD4+ are the helper. YMMV on this last statement. I would have to dos off my immunology and microbiology books and study a couple nights to again pass the test on this.
This doesnt make sense on its face. That means that your immune system would always be a ticking time bomb for any infection -> this does not happen.
Would that imply that you’d want to wait 6 months to a year after recovering from COVID before getting that “booster shot”?
“How long does this immunity after infection last?”
It seems nobody knows. For the common cold, you DO get immune to the virus that caused the infection. But there are more than 200 viruses that cause the common cold and you will rarely face the same one twice. Most of the cold viruses are in four families:
• Rhinovirus
• Coronavirus
• RSV
• Parainfluenza
BUT, there are also a lot of viruses that haven’t been identified yet. It’s estimated that 20%-30% of colds in adults are caused by these “unknown” bugs.
“begrudgingly admitted”
I would think about getting a new doctor.
Not for any infection — specific to the coronavirus antigens. Many papers out there; manufacturers of vaccine are trying to minimize the probability by excluding certain adjuvants and other bio components known to exacerbate this. If the vaccine works so well there is no illness or little illness that’s great. But ADE is a known possibility and affected all or nearly all lab animals in a particular study when exposed to a significantly mutated cv.
Example read:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
“Data from the study of SARS-CoV and other respiratory viruses suggest that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could exacerbate COVID-19 through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).”
If they had Covid and recovered, do they even need the vaccine? Have they not already built up a resistance to the ‘Rona?
Take mine.
Screw thus stupid bug and the stupider vaccine 4 it !
Exactly. But this is what happens when you mass produce and administer an “ experimental vaccine”....the H1N1 vaccine gave “ unacceptable numbers of neurological damage” back in the 70’s discovered TEN months later. This article states: “More studies are needed to further investigate the study’s findings due to the small number of participants....” Go for it sheeple, not for me or my family.
How many times must Bill Gates advocate de-population before we take him at his word?
I'm expecting to hear history's biggest "Oppps" somewhere down the road.
RE: The second is “I don’t know.”
Well, I recently had a swab test and it turned out negative. Can I answer “No” with certainty?
Except it really is not a vaccine. It has no strands of Covid 19 within it. It is what they call a general immunity booster.
I do not need a vaccination, not for the flu which gives approximately “35% coverage, but lessens the symptoms if you do get the flu.” If you have a compromised immune system, a vaccination will do little to ramp it up. You are just as likely to get sick from the vaccine, as from the flu. I assume the covid shot is sketchier than that.
Plus, I tested positive for the Vid, was sick for two plus weeks, but survived. I am immune to this strain for life, if I remember my biology. Just like Measles, I am not getting those again either.
Some reinfections happen, but they are rare in all cases. When I was a child, I had the mumps. The days went by and I was to go to school again. I woke up with mumps on the other side. It happens, but my sister and brother who were sick before me, got over it in half the time.
“Because there is no significant data if a previous infection promotes long term immunity. The vaccine can act as a booster shot.”
And what significant information is there that says the vaccine can act as a booster shot or produces better immunity than having had the virus?
Also note that the transgenic nature of the vaccine has zero track record because the mRNA method is making its debut as a vaccine - it has been used to kill a lot of animals by making them susceptible to cancers, etc., and has caused “escape” problems when used to make “better” crops - you, know, tomatoes that taste like crap but which last longer on the shelf, etc.
You might want to buff up on transgenic agents before making such definitive statements.
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