Tom here-No doubt the CDC will continue to hamstring cruising. -Tom
Yep. Best thing about cruising is breathing in that wonderful sea air. What are they going to do?
Spray lysol?
The Empire has spoken.
It’s illegal for the CDC to do this. The statute they cite in support of their dictate does not give them the right they clam.
Someone needs to sue immediately.
I wonder how much travel and tourism will be hamgstrung?
So we all have to wear a mask when traveling. We may well be rewuired soon to have an immunity passport, proving we have been given the vaccine.
At some point, will critical numbers of people say, to hell with it, and just decide they don’t want all these additional hassles of traveling?
I thought law making was the job of Congress, no some small subdivision of a federal department.
Welcome to the tyranny of the bureaucracy
This deals a blow to the low-riders in Albuquerque and other low-rider havens cruising the main drag and the sonic/ /s
is anyone else here wondering, why are we doing all this, for a virus which the vast majority of us will survive even if we do get the virus? This virus is not the return of the bubonic plague from medieval Europe.
And does anyone else wonder, if we will face restrictions indefinitely, because new viruses or illnesses are always being discovered? And are we setting precedent here, that we will shut down society for any new illness or virus which people like Dr. Fauci discover?
Breaking: Evey one communicating on social media will have to wear masks while doing so.
Horowitz: Comprehensive analysis of 50 states shows greater spread with mask mandates
Good thing we swore off of cruises after taking one YEARS ago.
We’re about to swear off flying, too, if they try any testing/experimental “vax” nonsense, too.
See the USA in our (not) Chevrolet!
As I previously stated to you I’m not going on my scheduled cruise to Bermuda if I have to wear a mask the entire time. Also if in international waters how can US rules apply?
Get off of your power trip.
Do I need to wear it on the balcony too? In the sauna and hot tub too..
Methinks the CDC doth do little of much value anymore..
certainly not based on science anyway.
When addressing the CDC, do we say “Sieg Heil”, in German, or use the Mandarin equivalent?
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
From related threads…
Regarding CDC's constitutionally indefensible mask order imo, patriots are reminded that the states haven't even given Congress the express constitutional power to make quarantine-related laws.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
More specifically, using government power to quarantine as an example, the 19th and first half 20th century Supreme Court had clarified that government power to regulate INTRAstate healthcare is uniquely a state power issue, not the business of the feds.
But more importantly where lockdowns are concerned, note the reference to unique state powers to quarantine in the New York v. Miln excerpt below, the second item in the list.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description [emphasis added], as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a state and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass.” —Justice Barbour, New York v. Miln., 1837.
"Obviously, direct control of medical practice [emphases added] in the states is beyond the power of the federal government.” —Linder v. United States, 1925.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
And what's even worse than the feds stealing state powers to mandate that everybody wear masks is this. The delegates to the Constitutional Convention had made the Constitution's first numbered clauses, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide these clauses from Congress (sarc), to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches, or in so-called federal regulatory agencies like the CDC, IRS, EPA, etc., constitutionally undefined federal regulatory agencies run by non-elected bureaucrats.
Our corrupt, Democratic and RINO-controlled Congress, along with misguided CDC bureaucrats, also wins today's violation of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment for ordering citizens to wear masks without express constitutional power to do so.
"14th Amendment, Section 3: No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same [emphasis added], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
More specifically, CDC bureaucrats need to lose their offices under Section 3 because they swore to protect and defend the Constitution which includes respecting the fed's constitutionally limited powers.
Federal lawmakers likewise need to lose their positions of power under Section 3 for letting CDC bureaucrats get away with stealing state powers to do Congress's dirty, unconstitutional work for it.
Again, in addition to Congress letting foreign countries get away with interfering in 2020 federal elections, Congress continues to let the constitutionally enumerated voting power of us despicables be weakened by letting non-elected federal bureaucrats get away with oppressing people with stolen state powers, quarantine-related mandatory mask orders in this example.
On the other hand, if states oppress citizens with excessive lockdowns and mask requirements, citizens can flex their voting muscle make things difficult for their state government leaders. This is evidence by the current petition to recall California Gov. Newsom.
Recall Newsom form (already 70% 80% signatures, deadline March 10)
In fact, citizens in all states need to work with their state lawmakers to make the following changes to their state constitutions regarding quarantines imo.
State constitutions need to be amended to put time limits on quarantines.
State constitutions also need to be amended to make state health officials elected by popular vote.
Constitutionally time-limited lockdown need to automatically trigger special recall elections for governors, mayors and health officials who order quarantines, also state lawmakers.
Finally, constitutions need to require people planning to run for state and local offices to escrow a refundable "recall deposit" before becoming a candidate, the deposit fully paying in advance for their possible recall elections if they are elected, amounts determined by law.
Corrections, insights welcome.
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To prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2, cruise operators should require guests and crew to wear cloth face coverings/face masks in accordance with CDC recommendations.Masking requirements and even a vaccine requirement are likely givens, and something that will be accepted by a large number of guests. In itself not much different from daily life in urban areas.Recommendation 13: Cruise operators should conduct once-daily temperature checks for guests and crew on board.
Specifically, guests should wear face coverings in any indoor, congregate setting regardless of physical distancing measures, but should not be required to wear face coverings in their own cabins. A notable exception is indoor dining. Seating in restaurants and bars/lounges should allow for physical distancing, so guests can eat and drink without needing face coverings while seated. Face coverings are not required in outdoor settings as long as physical distancing is feasible. However, if physical distancing is not feasible in certain outdoor settings, masks/face coverings among guests should be required in those locations.
There are several scenarios on board where crew members may come in close contact with guests for longer periods of time (e.g., spa staff giving guests a spa treatment), where it is impossible for crew members to maintain physical distancing from each other or guests to perform their job function and/or maintain the safety of the ship (e.g., watch standing officers, mooring stations). In such scenarios, cruise operators should ensure that crew members are equipped with the necessary and additional PPE, such as gloves, to prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and other infectious illnesses.
CDC guidance states that outdoor activities and events should be prioritized over indoor activities to mitigate against the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission.52 Given that indoor excursions may lead to crowding, make it difficult for guests to properly physically distance, and significantly increase the risk of airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2, cruise operators should be very careful about which indoor excursions are permitted for guests. If cruise operators can ensure that onshore locations have comparable safety and public health measures to those being taken on board the ship, cruise operators can consider permitting indoor excursions.
In the startup phase, cruises itineraries should be as simple as possible, utilizing private, cruise line-owned and operated destinations or ports where there can be tight control of the onshore experience. During the initial return to sailing, cruise operators should only allow guests debarking from a ship at a destination port to participate in cruise line-sponsored or verified excursions as a way of limiting potential exposures in the destinations they visit.
There are two essential prerequisites that need to be satisfied in order for a ship to sail to a given port:
1) Approval from the local government to visit a port.
2) Agreement to allow safe passage to SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals and their close contacts to debark and travel home.
Massages with gloves, I suspect that may be an issue for many people.
Outdoor activities prioritized. That will be interesting in Europe and Asia. Museums and such can't be controlled by the cruise lines. Exclusive use is difficult to impossible. I'm told independent on shore time will be discouraged. That kind of moving bubble environment won't be appealing.
And a requirement that countries visited allow debarkation and travel home strikes me as a non starter. Most countries won't be pleased to have covid positive individuals disembark And is the CDC really saying airlines must board covid positive patients.
These are industry recommendations, and imo they won't allow profitable operation. At least not this year. And you'll recall last summer most lines indicated they'd secured financing to allow a year, perhaps a bit more, of zero revenue operation. We're there. And haven't addressed the question of occupency levels. Or shorter cruises. Or pricing, which hasn't come down. I fear, for share and bond holders, reorganization may be the only long term solution. For tourists, the lines will survive under different ownership.