Posted on 01/31/2021 10:33:23 AM PST by fireman15
You might want to reevaluate your claim that those (including me) who don't want to get the vaccine are acting irrationally after you watch this.
You approached getting the vaccine from a straight number approach. Statistics. It is well known that you can make numbers mean anything you want them to mean.
This video explains the virus and vaccines from a medical research point of view. It only confirms my belief that I will not get the vaccine no matter how much the powers to be say we should.
Who's irrational now?
It contradicts your claims about getting the vaccine. Dr. Gold even says you are not irrational to not want to get the vaccine.
Listen to the portion of her speech starting at the 30:50 time and listen for the information I was trying to tell you.
If you have any integrity at all, you will listen to this video and reassess your position.
Watch Dr. Gold's speech and listen to Dr. Merritt's interview.
They contradict everything you say.
I’ve seen both videos and quite honestly they are garbage. Argument from authority doesn’t change the numbers. Besides there are plenty of other doctors who vouch for the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. These are actual experts in the area of infectious diseases and vaccines. The two doctors in your videos are an ER doctor and an orthopedic surgeon. These are not unknowledgeable people, but they also are not the most qualified individuals on which to base an argument from authority
Regardless of the validity of your argument from authority, there is data to look at. There is data from three clinical trials involving tens of thousands of subjects in addition to the data from the tens of millions of people who have been vaccinated since the approval was granted. There is no evidence, as I have amply demonstrated previously, of any mortality risk from the vaccine that is greater than the mortality risk from Covid infection.
I’m not sure how you think I’m using stats to lie. You have a group of approximately 25 million people who have been infected with Covid. You have a second group of about the same size who have been vaccinated. The number of deaths from all causes in group 1 far exceeds the number of deaths from all causes in group 2. Pretty straightforward, no manipulation of the numbers here. You can present all the videos and “experts” you want; it won’t change the data. If the vaccine is causing people to die, where are all the deaths? The death rate among vaccinated people does not exceed the normal population death rate, despite the fact that the vaccinated population undoubtedly is higher in average age than the general population due to the policy of first vaccinating older people that is being used by most states.
You want to present a questionable argument from authority and call me irrational because I don’t immediately admit that this somehow proves the vaccine unsafe? You accuse me of being compulsive, yet you resurrect an exchange that I abandoned several days ago after having given you the last word on the matter? Do you own a mirror? Perhaps you need to take a look in one.
You probably believe Fauci and Gates are believable when they are both financially motivated frauds.
There is no way I am getting the vaccine and be one of the test subjects for an experimental shot against a disease that is really no riskier than the common cold.
Why get the vaccine when it doesn't change anything? Stupid idea.
This truly is pointless. You say the vaccine is unsafe. It’s been given to over 25 million people in the US now, and even more worldwide. If it’s unsafe, don’t show me videos and speeches; show me dead people.
That’s the difference between us. I’m not pushing an agenda. You show me dead people and I’ll admit the vaccine is unsafe. That’s what would convince me that I’m wrong. What would it take to convince you? I don’t mean convince though to take the vaccine; if you don’t think it’s necessary or right for you to take it, I can’t argue that point. I mean what would it take to convince you that the vaccine is safer than a Covid infection. Apparently a mortality rate of 0.0016% for the vaccine vs. at least a ten times higher rate for Covid hasn’t done so.
You could have fooled me. But what are you doing if not that? Trying to push the fact that you have the right numbers behind you?
You don't have to keep repeating your numbers argument over and over again. I get it.
But the fact that the vaccine is less deadly than covid means absolutely nothing when the death rate for the disease itself is negligible to begin with.
Why is everyone in a rush to get an experimental vaccine that hasn't been tested or approved by the FDA and has no apparent benefits? It's tantamount to mass hysteria.
Has anybody, including yourself, ever thought to answer this question?
What is the point in getting this experimental vaccine if the vaccine doesn't cure the covid disease, doesn't prevent you from contracting the covid disease, doesn't stop the transfer of the corona virus, and yet you still have to wear a mask, social distance, and stay in lockdown after receiving this vaccine that has no obvious benefits but could result in serious side effects that we don't know about yet?
It just make no sense no matter what the numbers or statistics show.
Much is still unknown about the vaccines, but safety is not the concern. We do know that the vaccine is 95% effective at preventing people from getting sick after exposure to the virus — that’s the benefit. You can be infected by the virus, and the virus can kill you or cause serious health problems. While you might not see the benefit, certainly many others do see the benefit of taking a vaccine that can make it much less likely that you’ll die or get seriously ill if infected. The reports on what the vaccine isn’t going to do are being misunderstood. It hasn’t been reported that the vaccine won’t prevent initial infection or that it won’t prevent transmission of the virus. The truth is that these things are still unknown. Since it may still be possible for a vaccinated individual to be infected, asymptomatic, and contagious, the recommendation is that vaccinated people still use masks and practice social distancing. This could change as more data from studies of vaccinated individuals comes in.
That’s not a point I’m arguing, though, since I’ve never favored mandates of any kind or lockdowns of any kind. You have pretty much admitted the point I was making - the vaccine is less deadly than the disease. You are deciding to not take the vaccine. I’m deciding to take it when I have the opportunity. We can come to differing conclusions on what’s best in our individual situations. All I was doing was making the very narrow argument that the risk of vaccination is lower than the risk of Covid. I keep coming back to the numbers because that’s the way we determine which is riskier. No other way is anything other than someone’s opinion. I’d be fully prepared to admit I’m wrong if the bodies of dead vaccine recipients start piling up. That hasn’t happened yet.
BTW, you worry about side effects and long term Heath issues from vaccination. What are the long term Heath issues caused by Covid? There already are indications that there may be memory loss, brain damage, and cardiovascular issues associated with Covid infection. Again, the choice is not between a safe choice of refusing the vaccine and the risky choice of taking it. The choice is between two risky alternatives. Obviously we’re all free to make our choices as we see fit, but at least recognize that your choice is also risky.
The risk is mine to take.
>>The fatal flaw in your logic is “short term deaths only”. Previous studies reveals virtually ALL deaths of test subjects were long term...<<
And here I thought ALL deaths were long term. But I don’t watch those living dead movies or series.
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