Posted on 01/18/2021 9:55:46 AM PST by Jim W N
I woke up this morning thinking about how Trump could “concede” to this outlaw candidate whose criminal organization illegally stole this election from the America People? The only concession is conceding that Biden and his criminal organization stole this election and have enough corrupt politicians around the country to pull it off.
It seems we’re surrounded by the Enemy. But are we? Aren’t there more with us than with them?
And when the servant of the man of God arose early and went out, there was an army, surrounding the city with horses and chariots. And his servant said to him, “Alas, my master! What shall we do?” So he answered, “Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.” And Elisha prayed, and said, “Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he [we/they] may see.” Then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. So when the Syrians came down to him, Elisha prayed to the Lord, and said, “Strike this people, I pray, with blindness.” And He struck them with blindness according to the word of Elisha. 2 Kings 6:15-18.
I pray that this illegitimate “inauguration” of this outlaw politician is brought to nothing. I pray the Lord will strike them with blindness or whatever it takes so they cannot proceed but have to go home.
I pray for the arrest and conviction of the perpetrators and bosses of this falsified and fraudulent 2020 Presidential Election. Clean up the process, put trustworthy people in charge and HAVE A NEW AND HONEST 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. (Trump legitimately won the first one in a landslide.)
Don’t misrepresent what I said. I said Jesus died for everyone according to scripture. But not every one will accept the free gift of salvation. Nevertheless, God is not mad at America but...2 Cor 5.
“[H]ogwash” is not an argument.
Bye - again x 4.
Romans 1-3 puts the universalism you appear to be teaching to flight. There’s no place for it in biblical Christianity
There you go again xzins. You have no answer for the New Covenant which is supported by scripture I’ve provided plus a lot more. All you do is run away to some other place where you misunderstand and misapply scripture and add your religious-categorization nonsense into the mix.
This charade is getting boring. You haven’t refuted my reasoning and support for the Gospel of the Grace of Christ, but you are obviously against it. You are among those described in Galatians who hold “another gospel” and is twice cursed (Gal 1:7-9).
If you only understood scripture you’d realize Romans 1-3:19 is a rebuke directed at people like you who judge and condemn other individuals (or nations of individuals) “for wherein you judge another, you condemn yourself, for you that judges do the same things” (Rom 2:1).
If you read further in Romans, you’d actually start reading Paul’s teaching on the Gospel of the Grace of Christ which starts with no flesh is justified by the deeds of the law (Rom 3:20). That includes YOU. And later tells us, the God justifies the ungodly (4:5) through Jesus Christ (5:1). That also includes YOU. But you may never get it xzins because you seem addicted to the Self-Righteous Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil instead of the Tree of Life.
I’m done with you xzins and your bad-faith arguments which are not actual supported arguments at all - just a bunch of random and utterly unsupported assertions which when I refute them, you just go on to something else.
A waste of time here.
1 John 4:
1. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess [a]that Jesus [b]Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
4You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
xzins, nice quote. Not an argument to support your challenge that God is not judging or condemning America or the world.
xzins, I don’t want to do this, but your seemingly bad-faith challenge and lack of rationale brings me close to putting you on my No-Fly Zone List wherein I don’t respond to those on the list because they post and discuss in bad faith.
Let it go xzins, you’re obviously over your head.
Those verses, along with many others, demonstrate that there are unbelievers, and that they will be judged.
The only ones saved are those who believe.
The others are lost.
John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Why are you arguing that unbelievers will not be saved? Of course that’s true. Nobody’s said otherwise and that is not the issue here. You’re way off the track there xzins.
You seem unable to grasp the idea that God loved you when you weren’t saved and that although God loved you, you must have received Jesus to be saved or you’re lost forever.
You seem lost on the idea that Jesus put away the sins of the world and a loving God is pleading with the world to be reconciled to himself through Christ.
You seem blind to the truth that the issue is no longer sin but CHRIST because salvation is BY GRACE THROGH FAITH, not works.
At last.
Now that we agree that the unsaved are lost, we can explore whether God holds nations accountable.
The bible demonstrates that He does, both now and prior to His 2d coming.
I never said otherwise, although you have been apparently confused about this.
As for the rest, go back and read my arguments and supporting scriptures which you seem to have summarily ignored.
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My understanding of your message was that you were saying that because God is in reconciliation mode that He will not discipline a nation such as the USA for abortion, transsexualism, etc.
Do I understand you correctly?
Again xzins, read what I’ve already written and the supporting scriptures.
On one hand you think the issue is everybody is saved (not the issue, never said that).
On the other hand you insist that God must be mad at the unsaved although scripture is against your insistence as I’ve shown you many times, and you have squirreled around it a lot. Now you’re squirreling around it again using the word “discipline” for the first time. But your context of “discipline” is about God’s judgment and condemnation, going against scripture and the Gospel of the Grace of Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 tells us about God’s loving and conciliatory attitude toward the unsaved world because of Christ’s perfect sacrifice. John 3:16-17 does the same. Lots of scripture pronounces this. He wants everyone to be saved but knows they will not all be saved. That make Him sad, not mad, like man. God is not like man, you, me or anyone else. As high as the heaven is from the earth, so much higher are God’s thoughts than yours, mine, or anyone else’s.
I think we’re done. Gone full circle probably more than once. If you have a problem with 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 or the other scriptural backup I’ve provided for the Gospel of the Grace of Christ, your argument isn’t with me but God. Take it up with Him.
Jesus predicts the destruction if Jerusalem is Luke 21,Mt 24, and Mk 13.
It is in the church age.
Seems like punishment to me.
Many scriptures will tell you that after the cross, God’s attention and salvation turned away from the Jews and toward the Gentile Church which has been under grace ever since.
Read and study Romans 3:20 through 8:39 - the definitive teaching of the Gospel of the Grace of Christ. Don’t just read it - STUDY it. Come back to me if you want after you have done that.
(BTW, Romans 9-11 talks about the fate of the Jews.)
Do you understand why The Wrath of God is poured out during the seven years of Tribulation? Scripture tells you ...
A theology of the Jews isn’t the issue. ▪︎They are a nation. ▪︎It was the age of grace. ▪︎They were punished.
Do you understand why Daniel’s Seventieth Week - the tribulation - is a distinct dispensation (”a strange work” and “strange act” Isaiah 28:21) from the current dispensation of grace we are in now?
According to Daniel 9:24, God is “clearing the decks” so to speak, of those who have rejected Christ, to make way for the King of kings and Lord of lords and “to anoint the most Holy” to reign for 1000 years in Jerusalem.
The tribulation of the Wrath of the Lamb is almost like a pause in grace which will continue throughout eternity. “That in the ages to come, God might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus” Eph 2:7.
Then why do you bring it up?
That is what Ro 9-11 is. I mentioned the history of their punishment during the church era, and Jesus saying it was part of God’s plan. And it is during the church age.
Is 11 and 49 and Mi 4 show nations being punished, some of that arguably applying to the church age.
Quite often ignorance seeks to answer a question with a question. Try again perhaps?
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