Posted on 01/09/2021 5:36:21 PM PST by blueplum
I called him and I’m not even in Oklahoma. I suspect he’ll be changing his phone number soon, lol!
There is a different video that shows Ashli from the rear, climbing through the window when she was shot. She falls back into the room immediately after she is shot.
I downloaded that video, but my original link is no longer good.
There are at least three relevant videos making the rounds of the internet. The video in post #28 shows a man with a pistol who is probably the perp. He is positioned to Ashli's left, on the other side of the doors. The video linked in post #36 gives a very good idea of what happened, and a different internet video shows Ashli climbing through the broken window in the door when a shot is heard, and she falls back into the room.
The videos show more than enough to identify the probable perp and to see what he did. He shot and killed Ashli as she tried to climb through the window.
I get what you’re saying, and no flames from me.
Here’s another video, that shows LEOs standing in front of the same doors. Congresscritters are in the hallway on the opposite side of the door and being herded away to safety. Three minutes after the critters are escorted away, a man in a bush hat attempts to de-escallate those trying to intimidate the officers. The LEOS in front of the doors move to the right of the door, against the wall where they remain as the ‘f the police’ anarchists go back to torturing the door nearest the shooter.
With the critters long gone, and back-up onscene, exactly who was the shooter protecting ?
Ashli moves forward.
Situationally for the shooter, the door was barracaded, the guys to the left were trying to pry open a different door, LEOS remained onscene at the right, to be joined by M4 tactical guy and half a dozen of his buddies who seemed to arrive just as the shot was fired. And, there was the backup doorway the shooter was standing in. Both of Ashli’s hands were needed to hop up, so obviously unarmed. Where was the threat that called for lethal force? And if the shooter felt bodily threat, why did he only shoot to the right instead of at the doors nearer him being pryed open? Why did he not step out of the doorway to assess the situation prior to shooting?
Like I said, I get the perspective of what you’re saying, but otoh my perspective is, I can’t shoot a burgler in my own home unless he’s pretty much sitting on my bed and even then I might still be liable here in California.
>> is not substantiated on any video
Jesus, not this again.
The first video to go public (with the 4 or more warnings clearly audible in it), was released before the High definition clip of the shooter. More than one Conservative who reckons no warning was given has been given that video link but since the higher definition footage with poor audio surfaces, they’ve obstinately refused to even admit the first video exist, and will not watch it even if the link is handed to them on a plate.
By contrast the shooter clip was recorded no more than 3 feet away from the longer recording. It is a much clearer picture but the audio quality is crap. Naturally, because it shows the shooter and cuts in after the warnings AND the sound quality is terrible, everyone loves it because it satisfies the confirmation bias.
Finally...
The guy who was stood next to Babbit as she climbed up (confirmed in both videos) was interviewed on the day and he, too, confirmed the warnings were given.
I posted all three videos a couple of days ago, you can see the same guy with the backpack in all three, he was the closest eyewitness to go public, and his assertion thar there were multiple warnings has been ignored.
Pretending something doesn’t exist despite concrete vidro evidence from multiple angles that it does exist, is the kind of “I see no ships” bullshit that the Left has used to deny the existence of election fraud. We call it out as Orwellian and we can see it is dishonest in the extreme.
I am not a fan of us deploying the same political correctness post-truth tactic as the totalitarian Room 101 reeducation. Even if the Left is using it effectively.
You don’t win moral arguments about conservatism, truth and honesty, by peddling a debunked lie as a politically correct bit of truth.
I see that link you posted is the unedited, longer version of the shooter clip (but with beeps added) and it, too, has the warning shouts.
So the only video evidence that refutes the warnings is cropped, has poor sound, or is muted. We’re in crazy town now, there’s someone here who will accept the edited clip on twitter as truth but won’t watch the original longer clip from the same camera because he doesn’t want it complicated.
No, where is the picture of the owrp who assaulted the police officer who died? Where is his picture? Where is a picture of the assault?
Nowhere.
This story popped up on the media, grabbed a foothold, because the narrative, then disappeared. Where is the follow up?
The stupid stories about Italian servers is fake news to distract from the real fake news.
No, where is the picture of the perp who assaulted the police officer who later died? Where is the picture of that guy? Where is a picture of the assault?
Nowhere.
This story popped up on the media, grabbed a foothold, because the narrative, then disappeared. Where is the follow up?
The stupid stories about Italian servers is fake news to distract from the real fake news.
No, where is the picture of the perp who assaulted the police officer who later died? Where is the picture of that guy? Where is a picture of the assault?
Nowhere.
This story popped up on the media, grabbed a foothold, became the narrative, then disappeared. Where is the follow up?
The stupid stories about Italian servers is fake news to distract from the real fake news.
Thanks for your reply and I’m understanding your frustration. If I can ping you to my post #44, I posted a second video there, may be the one you’re referring to? I didn’t see it before and so...
I retract my statement in post #1 there were no warnings. The warning came less than 17 seconds before the weapon was fired.
from the longer video the exclamation ‘there’s a gun’ came at 1:58. Someone else repeats gun, gun but there is a lot of background yelling and window smashing happening. The firearm is discharged less than 15 seconds later.
gun, gun, gun would not give the listener a directional clue unless they could also see the finger being pointed. The backpack man standing next to Babbitt may have heard someone say ‘gun’ but backpack man didn’t move his position until Babbitt fell backwards. He appears at 2:09 to also looking thru the window. The man on the far side of Babbitt didn’t move his position, either. Did anyone know at that point who had the gun? Did the person next to Babbitt hearing something mean that Babbitt must also have heard?
The guy I think is an FBI plant (Sullivan) knew where the gun was. For several seconds he had his camera focused through the door's window onto the gun. When the assailant stepped out and fired, the videographer/FBI plant (IMHO)/Utah BLM rabble rouser followed that action and immediately panned to the victim, catching her falling backward to the floor.
His seemingly expert camera work, especially knowing immediately to follow the bullet's path rather than the shooter's next move, makes me think he knew quite well what was going to happen. He seemed to know there was no reason to keep his camera on the shooter; that there would be only one (expert) shot into the crowded hallway.
sorry, forgot to add (I hate when I do that)..if you know of anyone that has a tape of the shooter himorherself stating, Stay Back, Stop, Stop or I’ll shoot, or uttering any type of preemptive warning himorherself, I’ll be happy to add it to this thread. Thanks.
Unfortunately, I think if we protest now, we’ll - patriots - be labeled as terrorists going forward. Right now if they hear you say you support Trump or mention the word MAGA they’ll fire you from your job or throw you off planes etc.
The officer is protected class. They’ll find a way to blame the victim and justify it.
Should add “the officer is protected class” if you my meaning.
They would have the other side to worry about if they put the officer out there.
I completely agree the Italian stuff is a fairytale.
The only ‘fire extinguisher’ video I saw was of what looked like a protestor discharging a fire extinguisher up a stairway at a LEO standing on a landing, creating a small cloud the LEO easily backed away from. Speaking inside only, the other video of LEO injury I have seen was the hallway crush video, where both sides were pepperspraying each other and a LEO was being crushed either by a glass doorway or a shield, and someone took off his gasmask so he could yell, help! I hope he’s ok. Going on memory I think crush guy was younger looking than extinguisher guy.
Now, that said, with video evidence lacking, we turn to The Sun, UK, who printed this article quoting the NYT - make of it what you will:
“Papathanasiou told WUSA9 that Sicknick suffered a stroke during the riots while the New York Times reported that he was also hit by the fire extinguisher.
Another official told the Times a “chemical agent” may have led to his injuries.
“It was not clear if the blunt force had killed him; a chemical agent may have led to his death,” NYT reported, citing a source.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13683669/us-capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-dies-riot/
This article is almost 1400 words long and at no time does the word "unarmed" "not armed" "had no weapon" etc. appear.
If she was a black criminal shot by the cops, "unarmed" would've been in the headline.
How many times has that happened recently? Again and again and again.
If a lie serves the left's agenda, it persists.
As I said on the other thread, what we know at the moment is this:
1. the PROTESTERS definitely saw the gun and DEFINITELY shouted warnings to each other.
2. The shooter made no attempt to hide; two videos at least show the shooter stepping out into the hall and then back but keeping the gun in clear view of the protesters filming him.
3. The young guy who was stood next to Babbit heard those repeated warnings - he confirmed that in his interview. He speculated that maybe Babbit didn’t heed the warnings. In all the confusion I’m more likely to think she simply didn’t hear them.
We don’t know anything about what was shouted from the other side of the doors but we can clearly see that some of the protesters who were trying to smash their way through did pull back - presumably in response to the warnings.
I agree with you - until we get the evidence that you ask for, and know more about why the shooter was there and who else was behind those doors, can we really say it was Murder One?
If we were looking at a concealed shooter firing totally spontaneously without spending 15 seconds advertising their intent to the protesters, it’d be a much clearer situation.
if Trump-loyal VIPs had been behind the shooter and the protesters smashing the doors down had been Antifa, but all the other facts remained the same, would any of us convict the shooter if we were on the jury based on those videos and eyewitness testimonies?
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