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(Vanity) History: Hernán Cortés and how the Aztecs lost - It applies to the USA right now (Vanity)
Vanity ^ | January 6, 2021 | ConservativeInPA

Posted on 01/06/2021 3:19:07 PM PST by ConservativeInPA

Cortés lead an expeditionary force of about 3,200 to 3,500 conquistadors to present day Mexico. They were not a very organized force, but they were experienced in war. Historians often view conquistadors as paid mercenaries.

The conquistadors faced an alliance of well over 400,000. They came, they saw, and they kicked the Aztecs butts. This had nothing to do with the armor or weaponry of the conquistadors. It had everything to do with capitulation.

Remember this when in a group of hundreds of thousands protesting.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: dc; protest
Do you have the resolve?

For homework, compare and contrast Montezuma and Shaka kaSenzangakhona and how they handled colonial invaders when both had superior numbers of forces and neither were well armed in comparison to their invaders.

1 posted on 01/06/2021 3:19:07 PM PST by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

And every tribe the Aztecs brutalized joined them.


2 posted on 01/06/2021 3:26:48 PM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I just finished the history of England from the Tudors to the Stuarts, ending with The Union of England and Scotland during Queen Anne’s reign leading to the Hanoverian Secession.

Today, I actually feel like a Jacobite knowing that one of our Stuarts was robbed of the crown due to political finagling by big statists.


3 posted on 01/06/2021 3:27:10 PM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Best documentary on Cortez I have found:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_deHV1Kqgck

It’s an unbelievable story for anyone who doesn’t know it


4 posted on 01/06/2021 3:27:29 PM PST by 11th_VA (Et Tu Fox News ?)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I am reminded of the bombing of the Reichstag.


5 posted on 01/06/2021 3:27:40 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Dems: We cheated fair and square!!!)
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To: 2banana
And every tribe the Aztecs brutalized joined them.

Correcto Mundo. Now answer answer the questions: Why? and What happened to those tribes?

6 posted on 01/06/2021 3:31:17 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (See Profile: I'm giving up.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Guns and horses.


7 posted on 01/06/2021 3:34:57 PM PST by nwrep
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Guns and horses.

You get a D-. It is good you know that they had guns and horses that saved you from an F. However, guns and horses use by 3,500 +/- conquistadors do not match a force of 400,000.

8 posted on 01/06/2021 3:38:05 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (See Profile: I'm giving up.)
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To: 2banana
And every tribe the Aztecs brutalized joined them.

That is what is often missed.

9 posted on 01/06/2021 3:41:50 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Clare, The awkward time is almost over. Love, Normal Americans)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Why? and What happened to those tribes?

Because the Aztecs had them for dinner.

The same thing that happened to the White Mountain Apache scouts.

10 posted on 01/06/2021 3:47:29 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Clare, The awkward time is almost over. Love, Normal Americans)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Cortez had attack dogs he used in battle as well. This freaked out the Aztecs


11 posted on 01/06/2021 3:49:01 PM PST by 11th_VA (Et Tu Fox News ?)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Plus a hat tip to smallpox and measles.


12 posted on 01/06/2021 3:50:16 PM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and Elevation)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Yes, it does. Along with war tactics and strategies from the old world. Easily. (Mic drop).


13 posted on 01/06/2021 3:58:17 PM PST by nwrep
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To: ConservativeInPA

Cortes landed with 300 men. The Spanish who joined later were mainly members of an expedition sent out by the Governor of Cuba to ARREST Cortes, who had instigated a war the Spanish did not want. Costes turned these men 180 degrees, and they joined him. But mainly, Cortes was able to assemble a coalition of most of the non-Aztec peoples of the region, who saw a chance to overthrow the hated Aztecs. The Spanish comprised a very small fraction of the allied force.


14 posted on 01/06/2021 4:04:13 PM PST by sphinx
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To: nwrep
Yes, it does. Along with war tactics and strategies from the old world. Easily. (Mic drop).

Bull crap. Give me 20 men against a horse and a solider with a single fire weapon. Arm my side with spears. We will win.

This boils down to a lack of resolve and people being afraid. That is the lesson learned.

15 posted on 01/06/2021 4:40:59 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (See Profile: I'm giving up.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

THE AZTECS THOUGHT THEY WERE GODS RETURNED.

THAT SORTA DEMORALIZED ‘EM A BIT.


16 posted on 01/06/2021 5:19:53 PM PST by TigerHawk (The Raised Middle Finger in the Clenched Fist of the World)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Not a good analogy. Same cultures. These guys were completely different.


17 posted on 01/06/2021 7:14:29 PM PST by nwrep
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To: ConservativeInPA

One of the best books ever written, about anything, is The Hummingbird and the Hawk. It chronicles the Aztecs, Cortez, and all that transpired. When Cortez landed, Montezuma II was in charge. There was an Aztec General, Tlacaelel, who actually served both Montezuma I, and Montezuma II. Tlacaelel honed the Aztec forces. There were several cultures that hated the Aztecs, and were only too glad to join with Cortez. In particular, the Tlaxcalans despised the Aztecs for constantly making war upon them. The Aztecs never completely conquered the Tlaxcalans. The Aztecs just attacked them every year as practice and training. Besides The Hummingbird and the Hawk, The Discovery And Conquest of Mexico by Bernal Diaz del Castillo is fantastic also.


18 posted on 01/06/2021 10:28:28 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try. )
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Excellent summary.


19 posted on 01/07/2021 4:53:24 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (See Profile: I'm giving up.)
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