[Fawn]

Can someone tell me why PENCE is on board with the Democrats???

Pence, a House member before becoming Trump’s vice president, agreed with the House. He also asked U.S. District Judge Jeremy Kernodle, a Trump appointee, to reject the suit.

“A suit to establish that the Vice President has discretion over the count, filed against the Vice President, is a walking legal contradiction,” an attorney representing Pence argued in a separate filing.

[Ann Archy]

ET TU, Mike?

[mo]

Pence may well be “on-board” with the UniParty....we’ll know in about 5 days or so now

[Reily]

Wasn’t Pence the governor of Indiana before he became Trump’s VP?

[Basket_of_Deplorables]

Who do you think gave Trump all those hiring recommendations? The deep state traitors?

Pence.

I’ve never trusted him.

[fireman15]

I am not convinced that Vice President Pence is not onboard with President Trump. The interaction with Rep. Louie Gohmert could have been completely staged to get this “clarification” from the courts. Haven't any of you ever heard the old saying, “Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.”? If clarification is received shortly before January 6 and Pence pulls the trigger... it will completely devastate the Democrats, and it will lead to this stolen election being corrected. Have faith my good friends... 2021 belongs to us.

[PATed]

Pence is not on board with the Democrats except on this issue. No reasonable reading of the Constitution indicates that a vice president can simply discard or change electoral votes he doesn’t like for some reason.

[enumerated]

I’m obviously in favor of anything that upholds President Trump’s rightful re-election landslide victory that is being stolen from him -

But, having said that... this claim that the VP can just singlehandedly decide the election - is just absurd.

I don’t know what Gohmert is thinking
- maybe he’s just trolling the Democrats
- maybe he is trying to get under their skin.
- maybe he’s trying to make a weird point
- maybe he has some other angle that is above my pay grade.

I know he’s a smart guy.

But just between us FReepers - let’s be honest here:

There is no way the Constitution gives the VP the power to choose electors. If the VP had that power...

Why didn’t Al Gore pick himself in 2000?
Why didn’t Dan Quayle pick Poppy Bush in 1992?
Why didn’t Joe Biden pick Hillary in 2016?
Why didn’t Mondale pick Jimmy Carter in 1980?
Why didn’t Cheney pick McCain in 2008?

Etc., etc..

Why are we even talking about this?

[Widget Jr]

Pence has not sided with the Democrats. This case is for show, now substance.

This is the House Republicans, asking the courts to tell a Republican Vice President, how to make a decision regarding the legislature before the legislature acts. That violates separation of powers issue.

Also, look at it this way, the real issue is between the Democrats and Republicans in the house, not between the House Republicans and the Vice President. If you have a dispute with your neighbor, you and your spouse can't sue each other to get a ruling against your neighbor.

[pepsi_junkie]

I don't think Pence will save the day. But if you want the optimists view, Pence would like the suit dismissed because his authority comes from the constitution and not some judge and he wouldn't want a political hack judge ruling that he does not have the authority he intends to execute and then having to argue that the judge had no right to make such a ruling. Let that argument happen after he does it.

But like i said, I don't think it's in the cards.

[Sense]

I think the effort to force Pence to acknowledge that the Constitution DIRECTS he SHALL PRESIDE over the count of electoral votes, making him ALONE responsible for the PROPER conduct of the count... is one issue.

A more important issue might be... ensuring Pence is served with a proper notice... informing him, in a way that he cannot deny, that the “certified” electors are a product of an ongoing FRAUD. Because of that fraud being practiced: Pence should also be served with a request to see his communications with all of those who are being accused of conducting a fraud. The proper agency for making that demand, might well be the state Legislatures.

The purpose of the fraud being practiced is to either deceive or compel Pence into wrongly accepting the products of fraud in his performance of official duties. Simply exposing the FRAUD... not in public perception, but in recognition in official process... leaves him a choice of participating in the fraud, or refusing to participate in the fraud... as that is the real choice being made.

Legislatures... need to NAME the fraud, as a fraud... while taking action in addressing it... not only decertifying, and not only allowing the event in recalling those perpetrating the fraud... they should also initiate impeachment proceedings against those who are obstructing the process of proving the fraud.

[joshua c]

Sounds like a valid constitutional question but the court does not like to rule on something that has not happened.

Probably get tossed.

[LIConFem]

Always figured Pence to be an establishment poison pill. He’s been a decent Veep, but he’s always had that “I’ll bail in a heartbeat is the going gets tough” vibe.

[OIFVeteran]

He’s not onboard with the democrats, he’s following the constitution. He has no constitutional authority to decide if the electoral votes certified and sent by the states are valid or not.

Imagine if in 2016 Biden had else died that because of Russian interference in the election he was not counting the electoral votes for Trump and declared Hillary the winner. It would have been unconstitutional for him to do so and everyone on this website would have been screaming bloody murder.

[taxcontrol]

The 12 amendment stipulates that all the votes will be opened and counted.

[Secret Agent Man]

guess pence can do what he determines to be correct then

[depressed in 06]

If Pence can save us from the Sniffer and the Commie, I’m for it. The Sniffer should have been out front proving he was the winner, instead of, letting his friends, the slimes, pick the winner.