me: I think Pence was known not to be Presidential material and Trump would have chosen someone who was presidential, and a fighter, to leave coattails he trusted. I do think Pence is a sleeper. I believe Nancy Pelosi only learned about Pence’s true nature at the 2020 SOTU. A lip reader made a claim I found convincing, looking at the footage, that Pence and Nancy were essentially collaborating, with Nancy excited that ‘now there’s hope!’ and fawning to Pence, ‘we were never going to impeach YOU’.
TrueFact: I listened to Pence’s Turning Point speech from a couple days ago and he was impressive. I can’t believe that performance was fake. Fake would be like McConnell.
Me: I 100% believed George W. Bush was sincere. For me to avoid believing in someone like Bush again, it’s now a question of level of effort (e.g., Where’s Pence’s?) and actions. If I had looked at where Bush put his time and effort/where he didn’t invest time and effort, and actual outcomes of his actions, I would have known what/who he was.
TrueFact: Also, Trump doesn’t have the most stellar past in the world and there are plenty of photos of him with bad actors. Like the one at his wedding with the Clintons all chummy. I think one of Trump’s major turning points was around the time that Obama was being exposed as not eligible for the presidency.
Me: Photographing at partiess, being civil when need be to get past Clinton gatekeepers when they still thought he was no threat, I can see as part of the job. Socializing privately (football/baseball game) with a monster like GH Bush, I can’t. By the time of the funeral in which Pence greeted Clinton warmly, Trump didn’t. Either Trump didn’t trust Pence enough to tell him about his plans for the deep state, or Pence knew and “needed” to serve Hillary’s pose of respectability.
Side Note: Just now searching the web, I don’t remember this: Articles saying FOIAA request revealed Pence used his personal AOL account for state business in 2017 (sensitive info not to be sent outside gov) and was hacked. Other articles say the info in his AOL was too sensitive to release to the public. I’ll put an example below.
TrueFact: Pence’s whole demeanor is pretty reserved. He is the opposite of Trump in about every respect.
Me: That’s one of my problems with Pence. KNowing he was going into the ring with people who wanted him dead, I think President Trump would have chosen someone he knew would fight, someone he knew trusted him and believed in him. Going into the ring and facing all manner of false accusations, Trump would need to be sure Pence knew him enough to know the fake charges were false. If Pence didn’t know Trump well (whether good or bad) and he believed the fake charges, Pence would be too great a liability.
TrueFact: That being said I do not believe that Pence has what it takes to be President.
Me: We agree.
TrueFact: We shall see how Jan 6 goes. I think it is entirely likely that Pence will reject the electoral college votes from the disputed states which would throw the election to the House.
Me: I would be shocked if he rejected the electoral college votes from disputed states, unless he’s controlled. If he publicly accepted the disputed electoral votes, President Trump’s challenges would multiply exponentially, so I don’t think they’ll let Pence near it. Yes, we must wait and see.
TrueFact: This may be my longest post ever. Sorry for the long-windedness.
ME: Please don’t apologize. I really appreciate the details you provided. I believe it’s critical to the survival of our republic that we know and discuss details, and know why we believe what we believe. Please accept my gratitude for your time and attention in responding to me.
TrueFact: Merry Christmas to everyone. God has blessed us mightily.
Me: Amen, TrueFact. Merry Christmas.
Your interpretation is a bit iffy. Here is the text from the 12th Amendment,
“The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;
The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.”
If the President of the Senate (Pence) who is running the show declares that the votes from several states are known to have been improperly certified and refuses to count them, what constitutes a majority of electors? As it stands if the seven states in question are not counted... President Trump has ten more electors than Biden. This would be a majority of the electors counted. The language throwing the election to the house delegations seems to be more geared toward a situation where there are more than two candidates are competing. Of course either way President Trump wins.
At this point in time everything hinges on Pence... does he have a backbone and does he want to be the one responsible for stopping the innevitable slide into chaos if he refuses to do his duty? On January 6 we will learn whether he is the person who will save the Republic, or the biggest traitor in our nation's history. I believe that regardless of the speculation that he is deep stater that he will do what is right.