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To: ransomnote

My 2 cents on Pence.

I disagree that Pence is Deep State.

If Pence were DS, Trump would know. Trump has connections in places we could not imagine and he is a very good judge of character. Second, if Trump did know Pence was DS, he would have a plan in place that did not include Pence but we all know Pence is likely an important piece to this effort. Also, if Pence were DS, Trump would have very little to do with him and yet as far as I can tell Pence has played a very active role in the last 4 years. Even now, Pence has been part of Trump’s plan from what I see.

I believe Pence has a very strong faith in Christ and his actions reflect that. I think he is cordial with the Clintons because that is what we are called to do as Christians - love our enemy. I frankly think that is one of Trump’s biggest barriers in his Christian faith - he wears his opinions on his sleeve and that has always unnerved me about Trump. Trump holds a grudge.


391 posted on 12/24/2020 6:05:28 PM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented

If Pence were DS, Trump would know. Trump has connections in places we could not imagine and he is a very good judge of character. Second, if Trump did know Pence was DS, he would have a plan in place that did not include Pence but we all know Pence is likely an important piece to this effort. Also, if Pence were DS, Trump would have very little to do with him and yet as far as I can tell Pence has played a very active role in the last 4 years. Even now, Pence has been part of Trump’s plan from what I see.
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For this part, I hope I wasn’t too vague - sometimes I cut detail to shorten my post. I’ll try to make this post short(er) than mine tend to be.

I believe President Trump is a fantastic judge of character. I was trying to make the point that I think Pence is an albatross settled upon President Trump, one he can’t easily remove without rocking the ship of state. Theories I’ve read suggest the corrupt GOP forced Pence upon him in exchange for the support in 2016. I believe President Trump has had to carry him without exposing him to make it to 2020 and win.

I don’t consider Pence anywhere near the value of a Jim Jordan or other fighter.

I am praying for discernment. I believe Pence falls into the category of false teacher, and we are not to give them hospitality - so you and I differ on Pence’s friendships with Clintons/Bushes.

Thank you for taking the time to offer reasons. We don’t agree, but so few go beyond stating that he’s Christian, your post is refreshing. Continuing in prayer on this matter.


405 posted on 12/24/2020 6:24:25 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: visually_augmented

I frankly think that is one of Trump’s biggest barriers in his Christian faith - he wears his opinions on his sleeve and that has always unnerved me about Trump. Trump holds a grudge.

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Just a quibble - I think it’s a mistake to judge President Trump’s faith in this way. He doesn’t hold grudges. He remembers wrongs done to him or others because he has a strong sense of justice. He is for law and order. It is a warrior mentality. Those who do wrong should pay the price.


460 posted on 12/24/2020 7:56:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Thirst for truth is the most valuable possession and no one can take it away from you.)
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