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1 posted on 12/22/2020 4:33:10 AM PST by MtnClimber
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So our choice is communism or communism.


2 posted on 12/22/2020 4:33:24 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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Ok, so half the country, 150 million to 200 million people, shouldn't break off and form a new REAL republic because someday maybe 100 years form now, China may invade North America

This is beyond funny, it is lunacy.

4 posted on 12/22/2020 4:39:31 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Secession IS the remedy.


6 posted on 12/22/2020 4:43:00 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Ping for later


7 posted on 12/22/2020 4:43:35 AM PST by Nateman (Democracy dies with voted fraud darkness.)
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bump


8 posted on 12/22/2020 4:44:40 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: MtnClimber

It ok to debate secession and to even oppose the idea. But if you do oppose it use a real argument and not a straw man argument or a red herring. We need a mature real debate on this subject and not childish rhetoric.


9 posted on 12/22/2020 4:46:36 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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The real deal:


10 posted on 12/22/2020 4:47:10 AM PST by Diogenesis ("when a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced" )
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Secession isn’t a gift to the communists. They bought and paid for the privilege. Follow the money.


11 posted on 12/22/2020 4:52:03 AM PST by chopperk (Warnock doesn't have a chance if Stacy sits on him.)
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China has significant debt also. I don’t know how the author can label it as a “surplus” nation.


12 posted on 12/22/2020 4:54:52 AM PST by sauropod (Cui bono? I will not comply.)
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The globalist version of “if you stay home because you lost the primary...”

Heard it enough for decades to spot it in my sleep.

Don’t CA my TX b/c we already Chyna’d my USA.


17 posted on 12/22/2020 5:11:26 AM PST by sayfer bullets (I didnt leave the [---] party, the [---] party left me. - Ronald Reagan)
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Praying for secession. I am in a position to leave for a seceding state or group of states tomorrow.

Communists cannot govern except by force. The writing is on the wall when communists take control. You will have to depart communist territory immediately or they will not ALLOW you to leave.

America is NOT one nation under God. It hasn’t been for a VERY long time.

If we cannot vote with a ballot, we must vote with our wheels.


18 posted on 12/22/2020 5:36:31 AM PST by Gnome1949
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Better for 5 years isn’t better. We have been misfits for long enough.
Divorce is very common in America. That’s what succession is. Taking what’s yours and moving on.


19 posted on 12/22/2020 5:37:04 AM PST by Cottonpatch
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero


20 posted on 12/22/2020 5:41:55 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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So long as the USA remains a united nation...

Wake up, Andrew. The split between Constitutional Conservatives and the brain dead, home-grown Marxists is massive. The military is lead by a flock of nancy-boys and wombless women.

The Chinese sees a tottering nation led by their lap dog. Checkmate.

21 posted on 12/22/2020 5:44:17 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent.)
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While I can’t disagree with his opinion regarding China’s ultimate objective and I agree that we must keep the republic intact, Mr. Longman misses a number of key points and confuses many others.

The size and complexity of the PLA (which includes the Army, Navy and Air Force) and its technological advances are due primarily to two factors: theft of intellectual property and classified information, much of which was obtained with the assistance of collaborators inside the United States, including the federal government. The alleged sale of 68 Cray mainframe computers to China in 1993 all but assured that the PLA would be able to take advantage of the information they were given or filched.

In terms of economics and US domestic policy, the Chinese almost certainly have more collaborators at large throughout the US than they do inside all three branches of the federal government. Is there any doubt that even victims of the US education system know that small businesses are the foundation of the US economy and capitalism in general? Nonetheless, multiple governors are more than willing to “lock down” their respective states and impose all manner of restrictions and edicts on the citizenry because of “COVID” - the current, universal excuse for everything unconstitutional and objectionable, the only result of which is the wholesale destruction of small business by the hundreds of thousands.

I won’t belabor all of his points, but get to the essence; the United States is in the midst of an insurgency. China has bought US companies; the media, including the news media, movie industry, entertainment and social media; significant influence throughout academia; and politicians at every level of government, including, in my opinion, at least two former presidents, the “president-elect,” his family and more than a few members of his proposed cabinet. What Mr. Longman and most “experts” are missing is that all of this amounts to the fact that the United States is in the throes of a full-blown insurgency, with all of the necessary components in place and active.

With their control of the media at all levels, the Chinese are controlling the vast majority of public messaging today. There is more than circumstantial evidence that, like drugs and precursor chemicals, fake ballots were printed in China and shipped to the United States via Canada and Mexico. How much of the materiel provided to Antifa, BLM and their analogs came from China? I could go on, but what the United States needs now - not in 2024 - is a coordinated, domestic counterinsurgency policy and program and leaders with the moral courage to declare what is happening right now is a bona fide insurgency. We need to recognize that there are belligerents and collaborators throughout our country who are wittingly and unwittingly acting on behalf of the insurgency, whether they are bona fide communists or “merely” corrupt, and we need to “declassify everything,” name names, release the details and take pictures of the arrests - lots of them.


23 posted on 12/22/2020 6:14:12 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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When a country is as polarized with irreconcilable differences of values and identities as ours is right now,there will either be a struggle ending in victory and domination by one side over the other, or a separation, or a voluntary submission of one side to the other, or a mutual destruction leading to a synthesis. One of these results is necessary to resolve the inner conflicts.


24 posted on 12/22/2020 6:34:17 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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A reminder for all, and some in particular, from the front page of Free Republic:

“We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.

“Free Republic does not advocate or condone racism, violence, rebellion, secession, or an overthrow of the government.”

25 posted on 12/22/2020 6:43:10 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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So, secession is a gift to foreign communists, but submission to domestic communists in their pay is just fine?

I’m not advocating secession, but surely someone can come up with a better reason against it than that.


26 posted on 12/22/2020 6:43:18 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them wthaith a pitchfork!)
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a real worthless article.
secession is fine as long as we don’t have to fight another civil war. That would likely take an amendment so isn’t likely but good for us conservatives if it ever becomes practical.
Even better is let Cali,Ore,Wash,Hawaii go form another country. Our electoral chances would improve!


28 posted on 12/22/2020 5:49:46 PM PST by CarolinaReaganFan
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