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Blood oxygen tests may be inaccurate for Black patients
UPI ^ | 12/18/20 | Amy Norton

Posted on 12/19/2020 9:46:40 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 12/19/2020 9:46:40 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Now blood oxygen sensors are RACIST!


2 posted on 12/19/2020 9:54:12 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (You are in far more danger from an authoritarian government than you are from a seasonal virus.)
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To: nickcarraway

Don’t tell BLM. All they need is a new reason to march around, blocking traffic.


3 posted on 12/19/2020 9:55:53 PM PST by lee martell
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To: nickcarraway

Actually it makes me wonder if certain races have hemoglobin that have an affinity for binding or not binding oxygen. Pulse ox actually measures the ratio of oxygenated Hgb and deoxygenated Hgb a the level of the capillary. (If memory serves its the ratio of absorption of 585 nm to 545 nm but I could be off a few mm in either Direction)

In cases of deranged Hgb such as methemoglobinenia or carboxyhemofglobinemia the pulse ox will be incorrect. Given then tendency of miscalculation it stands to reason there may be an increased amount of atypical Hgb. Wonder if sickle cell trait plays into this or other genetic variations.

It’s an interesting study.


4 posted on 12/19/2020 10:20:18 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: lee martell

We need someone to post the thats racist kid.


5 posted on 12/19/2020 10:20:56 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: lee martell
Don’t tell BLM
au contraire! Do tell them! Then they'll go from "we can't breathe" to we WON'T breathe" and do society a big favor.
6 posted on 12/19/2020 10:28:30 PM PST by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: gas_dr

That is a very interesting theory. It would serve the medical community well, if they started ordering ABGs on those that have a higher level of skin pigmentation. Once they know definitively that their patient has an set decrease by a certain percentage point, then they can accurately adjust the oxygen level to reflect the real numbers.

And checking for sickle cell could well be a factor for that miscalculation. Just like having decrease in available O2 at a higher altitude can trigger a sickle cell crisis, it is a very reasonable probability that COVID and other breathing issues could trigger a similar crisis that goes undetected with a traditional pulse ox meter.

Anyone that invents a pulse ox that can be calibrated to allow for a more accurate ABG, would be nominated for awards. This is very similar to the PTT readings that are converted to the INR standard so that everyone is on the same page as to what their real readings are so that their Coumadin can be adjusted no matter the methodology used to perform the PTT.


7 posted on 12/19/2020 10:48:45 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (I thank the good Lord everyday that I no longer live in CA. )
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"The notion of a racial bias in pulse oximetry is not new."

That's just great.
8 posted on 12/19/2020 10:49:39 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

By oxygen level I mean the blood oxygen level, not the supplemental oxygen that is being provided to the patient.


9 posted on 12/19/2020 10:53:52 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (I thank the good Lord everyday that I no longer live in CA. )
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To: nickcarraway
pulse oximetry can be affected by a number of things...anemia for one...poor circulation....

but no, we have to have studies designed to point out how rasist machines can be....

who is the ninkenpoop who would follow just ONE sign for a diagnosis?....

no single test for anything is absolutely perfect...

10 posted on 12/19/2020 10:53:52 PM PST by cherry (TRUMP WON!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Reality is racist, apparently.


11 posted on 12/19/2020 10:58:44 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: cherry

One would hope that anyone being checked in the ED for Covid or any other breathing issue is going to have a CBC done as part of the lab work. A CBC will easily diagnose anemia by the Hgb and the Hct, as well as the differential. I don’t think that a sickle cell test is routinely done unless the patient is already diagnosed with Sickle cell.

I will call one of my BFFs about this tomorrow. She is head of the Lab Hemotology Dept. for the hospital where she works. She is brilliant, and will be intrigued by this idea. She and I have had several in-depth conversation about Covid.


12 posted on 12/19/2020 11:04:24 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (I thank the good Lord everyday that I no longer live in CA. )
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To: nickcarraway

Govt study in 1993 noted that blacks with sickle cell disease should hormally have pulse oximetry levels below normal.

A current cdc report notes that 1 out of 365 black births have sickle cell disease and about 100,000 black Americans have sickle cell disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/data.html


13 posted on 12/19/2020 11:44:27 PM PST by givemELL
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

You would think that testing for sickle cell would be standard procedure for people of African descent who are having a blood test anyways. Is testing for that unusually difficult or expensive? Just wondering - I’m not a doctor.


14 posted on 12/20/2020 1:39:27 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: nickcarraway
nail polish can affect measurements from the finger-clip devices.

Hold on... Did the race study control for this variable? Seems to me that black women (and probably black men who identify as black women) are more likely to sport acrylic nails and that sort of thing.
15 posted on 12/20/2020 2:21:51 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: cherry

The solution is simple. Pulse oximetry device makers just need to compile in the Biden Dominion code, so blacks will get readings 120% higher than non-blacks.


16 posted on 12/20/2020 2:40:40 AM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: clearcarbon

Not racial bias.

Racial difference.


17 posted on 12/20/2020 3:08:45 AM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: gas_dr

How about poorly controlled Type II diabetes, would that also also raise hob with a reliable reading...?


18 posted on 12/20/2020 3:26:03 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds. )
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To: gas_dr

It’s possible that a simple mod of the pulse oximeters could improve accuracy.

Simply add a test for skin pigmentation....just shine an LED on the skin and read the amount of returned light and then adjust settings....should improve accuracy.

p.s. I hated drawing blood from the underside of the wrist...OUCH!


19 posted on 12/20/2020 3:57:52 AM PST by Bobalu (Trump Confirms He Will Be Able To Ban Twitter Starting January)
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To: Chickensoup

There’s no such thing as race.


20 posted on 12/20/2020 4:16:48 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds. )
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