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To: ebb tide

In the making of this vaccine there were no aborted fetal lines. As as been said early testing may have used the cell lines you are talking about. Most pastors have shed their light on the situation. Being a Protestant I understand the faith to be not in news of an intermediary.

And we could always ask the age old Ethical questions about if this confers meaning to a senseless death. Any fetal tissue in early testing was not aborted specifically for this reason. And again in this vaccine there were. No stem cells.

I respect your position but this is a fine of enough line that there are several ethical arguments to be made either way.


211 posted on 12/17/2020 10:35:57 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

Just got my shot this morning...I’m a front line ICU RN with 12 beds out of 32 reserved in my unit for covids.

Interesting enough at any one time all of our reserved icu covid beds aren’t always full and when full, not all are true ICU grade patients but often half are medical telemetry or step down holds as the tele step down covid beds are full. We see a lot of churn,increased covid admissions at night and a flurry of transfers to lesser levels of care or even discharges to home in the day shifts. We seem to average about 4-6 at any one time who are true icu respiratory covid pt’s on vents or continuous bipap. We lose 60 percent of those.

It isn’t who you’d think. I can’t tell you how many 70 to 94 year old white women come in COVID 19 positive with some respiratory symptoms and some ferritin increases but they get better in a day and transfer out or even leave for home or back to their living facility, but 35 to 60 year old something black and hispanic men and women suffer worse and many pass away. Most of the women in this group do tend to suffer longer but do tend to recover over time vs the males who decline worse to worse than pass away. It’s the co-morbidities that Covid 19 aggravates that end up taking these minorities out.

Next in line are the white males 50 to 80’s or older... again the co-morbidities seem to be a factor in taking them out in most cases.

I haven’t seen a very healthy person with no co-morbidities of any race who comes to the ICU, die yet... but some get get very close and some will have some lingering after effects for a while after they get...”better”.

It’s like covid 19 acts like the ultimate stress tester of one’s bodily systems...one chink in the armor and boom the disease can wipe you out.


222 posted on 12/18/2020 5:47:08 AM PST by mdmathis6
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