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Are Cruise Lines Waiting for a COVID-19 Vaccine Before R esuming Service?
Cruise Critic ^ | December 03, 2020 | Aaron Saunders

Posted on 12/08/2020 11:20:23 AM PST by Capt. Tom

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A long article- but now, vaccines are prominently in the daily news, and the reaction to Pfizer's required 2nd dose (about a month later), seems to be causing some reactions, this will only complicate the situation.

The next few months will have plenty of vaccine pro and con news that will affect potential cruise line passengers, and the future of the cruise lines. - Tom

1 posted on 12/08/2020 11:20:23 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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Its not just the cruise lines that are going to call the shots - the ports-of-call will also heavily influence the requirement. I bet New Zealand will demand all cruiseline passengers show proof of vaccination before being allowed to disembark there.

Big question: will proof of receiving the antibody cocktail within the past 4 weeks satisfy these requirements? It should be but I bet that is going to be too complex to implement.

It actually should be as good or better than a vaccination in terms of risk of virus spread.

2 posted on 12/08/2020 11:31:57 AM PST by corkoman
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To: Capt. Tom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZYC3rsXawo


3 posted on 12/08/2020 11:40:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Cruise ships aren’t coming back.


4 posted on 12/08/2020 11:41:50 AM PST by kaehurowing
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Curious...would you recommend shorting Carnival, Norwegian, and Royal Caribbean stocks? They’re up strongly this month. If you’re correct it could be an epic investment score.


5 posted on 12/08/2020 11:45:08 AM PST by nascarnation
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Never understood the allure of getting on one of those floating incubators.
Like living in a crowded high rise, full of every disease known to man.
Guess I’m just a country boy.


6 posted on 12/08/2020 11:45:25 AM PST by Fireone (Build the gallows first, then the Wall!)
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To: corkoman; gibsonguy; NormsRevenge; Chgogal; Ann Archy; dennisw; entropy12; Captain Walker; ...
Its not just the cruise lines that are going to call the shots - the ports-of-call will also heavily influence the requirement. I bet New Zealand will demand all cruiseline passengers show proof of vaccination before being allowed to disembark there.

For sure there will be complications now that the health officials and politicians in each country are getting involved and are getting to call the shots.

Just recently a cruise ship was going to leave Italy for the Caribbean, spending about two weeks at sea, and then staying on a private Island in the Caribbean, for about a week, and then reburning to Italy.
That cruise was cancelled by the Italian Govt.

The new Mardi Gras has cancelled its cruise and moved it back a month.

Lots of problems for cruise lines to overcome.

In hind sight it probably would have been better for some of the cruise lines to reorganize 6 mos to a year ago, save the billions they have spent to stay relevant, and come back with a smaller number of cruise ships.

But who could imagine this flu virus would shut them down and us for a year?-Tom

7 posted on 12/08/2020 12:01:47 PM PST by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge now. -Tom)
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“Cruise ships aren’t coming back”.

That’s right. And for many reasons.


8 posted on 12/08/2020 12:02:43 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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The headline makes sense, because the corporations can shuffle blame to the vaccine manufacturers and governments if an outbreak occurs.

Or if a Thalidomide style outbreak happens, and people are panicked over that.

9 posted on 12/08/2020 12:07:12 PM PST by Bernard (No tag today. Maybe tomorrow.)
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SAD SAD situation this is. Only hope for a quicker recovery is if vaccine is effective.


10 posted on 12/08/2020 12:16:48 PM PST by entropy12 (Stalin would have loved the Dominion machines.)
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Its not just the cruise lines that are going to call the shots - the ports-of-call will also heavily influence the requirement. I bet New Zealand will demand all cruiseline passengers show proof of vaccination before being allowed to disembark there.

Unless you are micro chipped which will stop fraudsters from duplicating
documentation. Plus the cruise ship will know where you’re at if you’re late returning to the ship.


11 posted on 12/08/2020 12:24:52 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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Hundreds of old people on a confined disease incubator with limited medical assistance. What could go wrong??


12 posted on 12/08/2020 12:35:11 PM PST by kaehurowing
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SAD SAD situation this is. Only hope for a quicker recovery is if vaccine is effective.

The vaccines will present new problems since many people won't get it under any circumstances.

A simple question like if a person who is vaccinated and immune, can they still spread the virus to the unvaccinated?
Thee are opposing medical answers to that elementary question-with each side calling the other Quacks.

Another sign of the ongoing Cruise Line problem is when recently the Carnival Cruise Line President, and CEO Christine Duffy advises that the crews get temporary or part-time work while waiting on the resumption of cruise operations. -Tom

13 posted on 12/08/2020 12:37:35 PM PST by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge now. -Tom)
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The vaccines will present new problems since many people won't get it under any circumstances.

They are all just waiting to see if recipients of vaccine will remain safe. I am betting most will jump on it once it is proven to be safe.

A simple question like if a person who is vaccinated and immune, can they still spread the virus to the unvaccinated?

Short answer is it is possible. No one knows for sure. My own opinion is a healthy patient without any symptoms does not excrete a bomb load of virus cells because she is not coughing and sneezing and does not have lungs gull of virus cells to exude while talking. JMHO.

CEO Christine Duffy advises that the crews get temporary or part-time work while waiting on the resumption of cruise operations.

You will not believe how many retail workers and hospitality workers in places like Thailand & Philippines have lost their jobs. Tourist business is dead there. They do not have programs like food stamps or unemployment checks there. People are literally starving for food.

14 posted on 12/08/2020 1:01:03 PM PST by entropy12 (Stalin would have loved the Dominion machines.)
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That’s right. They’re like giant Petri dishes.

It won’t happen because people won’t be able to afford to go on cruises and/or they will be carefully watching their money.


15 posted on 12/08/2020 1:44:53 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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I’ve read that many health care workers have said they will not get the vaccines.


16 posted on 12/08/2020 1:46:17 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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They are all just waiting to see if recipients of vaccine will remain safe. I am betting most will jump on it once it is proven to be safe.

We have the time to wait it out and pick a vaccine, but I don't think the cruise Lines can.
They will be over a year wih no income and BILLIONS in expenses. -Tom

17 posted on 12/08/2020 2:18:59 PM PST by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge now. -Tom)
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Capt. Tom wrote: “But who could imagine this flu virus would shut them down and us for a year?”

Politicians shut us down, not the virus.


18 posted on 12/08/2020 3:39:42 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Biden - Not My President!)
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Politicians shut us down, not the virus.

Yes and they continue to do it all over the world-here is the latest, click on today's link below. -Tom

covid on Quatum of the Seas Singapore.

19 posted on 12/08/2020 4:05:34 PM PST by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge -Tom)
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Paste this in and try it. -tom

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24015-potential-covid-19-case-on-royal-caribbean-s-quantum-of-the-seas.html

20 posted on 12/08/2020 4:19:32 PM PST by Capt. Tom (It's COVID 2020 - The Events, not us, are in charge -Tom)
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