Posted on 11/28/2020 9:13:00 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Did the mail-in vote count (2,589,242) in the presidential election in Pennsylvania exceed the actual number of ballots sent to voters (supposedly 1,823,148) and were 1,126,940 votes "created out of thin air"? No, that's not true: The Pennsylvania Department of State's website for election returns shows that about 2.6 million mail-in ballots had indeed been counted as of November 27,2020. More than 3 million voters had requested mail-in ballots as of the October 27, 2020 deadline, according to a news release the same day from Governor Tom Wolf's office. The 1,823,148 number appears to be the number of mail-in ballots requested for the June 2, 2020 primary election in Pennsylvania, not the November 3, 2020 election.
The claim appeared in an Instagram post (archived here) published November 26, 2020 showing a Rogan O'Handley tweet that read:
Today at the Pennsylvania election hearings, we learned that 1.8 million absentee ballots were mailed out for the 2020 election
Do you know how many were counted?
2.5 million
I'm no genius, but I'm pretty sure ***700,000** phantom votes is evidence of
Widespread FRAUD
(Source: Instagram screenshot Thursday, November 26 13:31 UTC 2020)
Similar claims were made in an Instagram post on November 26, 2020.
(Source: Instagram screenshot Thursday, November 26 13:31 UTC 2020)
The same false claim was later tweeted by Senator Doug Mastriano (archived here) and subsequently retweeted by President Trump:
The 1,126,940 votes were created out of thin air. I won Pennsylvania by a lot, perhaps more than anyone will ever know. The Pennsylvania votes were RIGGED. All other swing states also. The world is watching! https://t.co/zmnk34Ny23 -- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 28, 2020
President-elect Joe Biden received 1,995,691 mail-in votes, according to The Pennsylvania Department of State elections website on November 27, 2020. President Donald Trump received 595,538 in mail-in votes. Libertarian Party candidate Jo Jorgensen received 24,783, for a total of 2,616,012 mail-in votes. The website states that "These vote totals do not include any votes from mail ballots received between 8 p.m. on election day and 5 p.m. the following Friday."
The website's numbers show that the claims made in the above Instagram posts don't stack up because they fail to state the correct number of mail-in ballots requested: more than 3 million.
The number "1,823,148" probably originated when someone tried to look up the number of Pennsylvania mail-in ballot requests and landed on a page listing statistics for the June 2, 2020 primary election in that state, for example a page like this (archived here). It shows a dataset provided by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania described as:
This dataset describes a current state of mail ballot requests for the 2020 primary election. It's a snapshot in time of the current volume of ballot requests across the Commonwealth.
Specifically, it contains a table that lists the exact number of mail ballot requests for that election:
As you can see, this is not data about the November 3, 2020 Presidential election.
In war, victory is the only thing that matters.
RE: In war, victory is the only thing that matters
In a political war like this one, Not by lying it does not.
liars lie and trollers troll
I’m not going to lower myself to that level.
go back to your friends at DU and brag.
hauling joe and his acolytes off to gitmo is going to be such a joy.
RE: liars lie and trollers troll
I’m still waiting for you to show me how the figure of only 1.8 million ballots sent out for the Pennsylvania Presidential elections is the correct figure. All you do is tell me that the official PA numbers are a lie. Yeah right, you have better information?
Well bye, Be careful with the door on your way out.
RE: you have a reputation here as one who lives below that level in your attacks on any thing you might deem hopeful for trump supporters.
I have a reputation for not wanting to keep hopes up when the data and information one wants to believe in his UNTRUE.
If we are to win, let’s win by presenting data and information that is TRUE, NOT FALSE.
RE: go back to your friends at DU and brag.
Yep, that is the last refuge of someone who can’t present better information, call someone a poster at DU.
RE: In war, victory is the only thing that matters.
Your victory is NOT GUARANTEED if the information you present is FALSE. In fact, the result will be the opposite -— DEFEAT.
Only presenting what is TRUE will give you a chance at victory.
RE: Snopes is for dopes.
Sure, but we still need to show that the data from the official PA website is false.
What you think is false in only your opinion. Try again last word queen.
I have a reputation for not wanting to keep hopes up when the data and information one wants to believe in his UNTRUE.
PENN Democrat gov is LYING HIS ARSE OFF... everyone knows it including you.
and the state’s false counting is why ALITO commanded them to stop counting. they did not.
They lie, cheat and fudge their numbers.
And I have every expectation that they will be disenfranchised as a result.
very nice.
I just stopped by to get you off the other person’s back... now someone else will “occupy you” for a while.
RE: What you think is false in only your opinion. Try again last word queen.
Again — the information that 1.8 million mail-in ballots were requested while 2.5 million ballots were actually cast to imply that 700,000 more ballots were fabricated CONFLATES the number of ballots that were requested DURING THE PRIMARIES with the number of mail-in ballots requested for the November elections.
Official PA data tells us that there were MUCH MORE than 1.8 million mail-in ballots requested.
We should NOT be using these figures as basis for saying that there was voter fraud. There are MANY OTHER EVIDENCE that we can cite to indicate that there was massive fraud in PA, but this SHOULD NOT BE one of them.
RE: PENN Democrat gov is LYING HIS ARSE OFF... everyone knows it including you.
OK, where are you getting your numbers from other than from the official PA website?
RE: They lie, cheat and fudge their numbers.
Sure, but they can’t do it with the number of mail-in ballots sent out. They can fudge the mail-in votes for Biden because detecting them will be harder, but the TOTAL sent out cannot be fudged at all.
If you want to attack their numbers, attack the ones that are statistically improbable. The total number of ballots mailed out is not one of them.
Ergo, there is nothing to disprove.
There was a press release by the Governor of Pennsylvania but that of course proves nothing.
RE: There was a press release by the Governor of Pennsylvania but that of course proves nothing.
Yes, but his data was released A WEEK before the November elections. Unless the governor KNOWS the number of ballots that were going to be returned ( 2.5 million ), I find it hard to believe that he would LIE about the 3 million number sent out in October 27.
I find it hard to believe that he would LIE
Your faith in politicians is touching.
RE: Your faith in politicians is touching.
And your faith in any garbage data being put out by the rumor mills is touching too.
There are other statistical data out there that prove absolute fraud but this particular one should not be one of those one should include in the arsenal of arguments.
You have been proven wrong but rather then explain why you are pushing false data you attack me.
I wish I was surprised.
RE: You attack me <— your words.
I am a counter puncher, I never attack anyone personally unless first attacked.
Show me in this thread where I drew first blood against you. Cite the post number. I always try to be civil unless someone gets personal and calls me something I am not.
But in this exchange, it is clear-cut that you and I do not believe in the same data.
You seem to believe that only 1.8 million mail-in ballots were sent out for this November while I believe
that MORE THAN 2.5 million were sent out.
My reasoning is that a figure of about 3 million was presented by the PA governor who had no reason to lie a week before the election unless by some reason, he already knew the number of votes that will be needed to manipulate in advance to give Biden the win. Even with him being a Corrupt Democrat, attributing such foreknowledge to him requires too much suspension of common sense. Hence, I do not believe that a mail-in ballot number greater than 2.5 million is false.
I don’t know what your reasoning for believing in the 1.8 million figure is. But we both can’t be right here.
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