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Flubros and Flubras! Day 248 (a place for Flubros and Flubras)
www.freerepublic.com ^ | 28 November 2020 | Impimp

Posted on 11/28/2020 4:59:55 AM PST by impimp

It’s just the flu, bro.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-elect-lauren-boebert-plans-thanksgiving-funeral-for-dead-turkey-in-defiance-of-colorado-guidelines

Lauren Boebert is pro second amendment and anti lockdown. She called her Thanksgiving dinner a turkey funeral so that she could circumvent lockdown regulations. In 2022 can we primary every GOP politician that doesn’t think almost exactly like her?

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I think Obamacare has hurt us more than we thought it would. The idea of lockdowns and mask mandates is all centered around the concept of medical socialism. The mantra that “we are all in this together” only grows when a nation has socialized medicine. The long term benefits for getting rid of Obamacare are incredible. Is there a politician brave enough to call for the elimination of Obamacare?


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: abolishmedicare; alternatereality; coronavirus; covid19; defundsocialsecurity; medicaresocialism; top2flupandemic
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To: gas_dr

I am glad you are treating this virus early.
So how does the doctor community spread the word to other doctors that these medications work.
How can we get the doctors to treat this virus early?

Right now, a majority of doctors are sending their patients home with no treatment.

Are there ways to get more doctors to have the knowledge that stopping the virus early is effective?


42 posted on 11/28/2020 7:30:52 AM PST by Trouble065
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To: ResponseAbility

Oh please. Take your conspiracy theory and sail away. But be careful. You might sail off then edge of the earth if you believe what you just wrote


43 posted on 11/28/2020 7:31:02 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Mom MD

***pcr or antigen***

As per Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test, it is not for diagnosis.

How does the Antigen test isolate the Corona SARS-2 virus, since it has not been proven to exist with the Koch Postulate method?


44 posted on 11/28/2020 7:32:14 AM PST by ResponseAbility (-The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: ResponseAbility

You are ignoring everything said and focusing on your pet peeve of PCR which is. highly accurate test and only one of many diagnostic criteria used. As gas dr said come the icu for. shift - you would t last 5 minutes. At least we wouldn’t have to waste PPE on you for a disease you do not believe exists.


45 posted on 11/28/2020 7:36:37 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: Trouble065

It’s up to each physician to decide what is therapeutically correct. As for me I do not treat early disease I am an intensivist. I am impressed with the ivermectin data and have seen it turn around moderate and late Phase disease. By no means a cure. But it improves outcomes

We network and talk and work everyday. Then you get the idiots who are armchair experts who have no idea what they are talking about. You must trust that my 10 years of doctoral and postdoctoral training equip me to practice medicine better than Dr Google. Most of the theories on this disease advances would be dangerous to try but everyone is an expert. Most of them are kooks


46 posted on 11/28/2020 7:37:28 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

Conspiracy theory? I am asking a very real question that has been postulated by many people that is merely at the start of getting to the bottom of this whole Covid-19 escapade. I am sincere in my questioning because I truly do not know the answer. Please provide me the evidence that Covid-19 has been isolated, so that I can write many people off my list of sources of information.


47 posted on 11/28/2020 7:38:25 AM PST by ResponseAbility (-The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: ResponseAbility

You really are in over your head. Stop before you make a complete ass out of yourself.
PCR is a confirmatory test. It in fact shows the presence of the target of study. You need to learn to do arithmetic before calculus. Trying to explain the complexities of medical testing to someone who apparently has no clear understanding behind cut and paste is impossible.


48 posted on 11/28/2020 7:40:18 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Mom MD

I am still waiting for something other than dismissal from you and gas_dr. Please provide evidence that Covid-19 has been isolated. As I just told gas_dr I am sincere in my questions.


49 posted on 11/28/2020 7:41:24 AM PST by ResponseAbility (-The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: gas_dr

Then provide an article that shows isolation and how it was performed, and I will study it. And stop being a dismissive a$$.I am not in this for anything other than definitive answers.


50 posted on 11/28/2020 7:44:47 AM PST by ResponseAbility (-The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: ResponseAbility

First let me apologize. I mistook your genuine question for snark. I feel terrible. Sometimes not in real time you miss those opportunities

I am genuinely sorry.

The theory of PCR is that is confirms the presence of a specific genome. In this case Covid 19. That’s why it is important as a confirmatory test. It does not confirm live virus. We see all the time late positive tests that mean little except that the dead viral genome is still percolating up from the lower respiratory tract.

Let me give you a real life example. I had a patient who for all the world looked like Covid. Rapid antigen negative (false negative). Ran PCR and it was positive. Therefore I initiated Covid treatment and isolation percautions. Patient did ok. Did not transmit. So there is power in confirmation. PCR tells you yes or no. The clinical picture tells you infective or progressive or not

It’s why medicine is an art still. I have read the article before you refer to. It is correct that PCR is not a screening tool nor should it be. But corona virus gives a very set constellation of symptoms that progresses to SARS. MERS was corona I believe and explains why we could dust of vaccines and move forward quickly.

The point is in medicine you have to test appropriately to arrive at a diagnosis. Most certainly and I think we can all agree to this testing is far overblown. And inappropriate. In my state e ran 140,000’tesra Wednesday. Positivity went way down but the media says we have a surge Becuase the absolute number was 10,000. The media is complicit and ignorant in what is going on.


51 posted on 11/28/2020 8:04:23 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr
My point in asking the questions i have been asking is that, the information I am seeing says early treatment with the two drugs I listed yield better results than no treatment at all.

The side effects of the two drugs listed, for the treatment duration is almost zero for the two drugs.

The use of HCQ or Ivermetcin is reported to help the patient feel 80 percent better within 1 to 2 days.

There are hundreds of studies published by other medical professionals in other countries that show positive outcomes because of the countries use of the drugs.
One such study is listed below

https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-100956/v1/682247ca-ef49-4d68-aa3f-493a8fc9a056.pdf

52 posted on 11/28/2020 8:05:02 AM PST by Trouble065
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To: gas_dr

Thanks for the reply. I have just been fed up with so much conflicting data about this situation. Its a pandemic, no it isn’t, Cases mean we need to lock everyone down, cases mean nothing because the PCR test is wrong 90% of the time. The list goes on and on.

I just want to start at the most logical place, and that it whether or not there really is an isolated Covid-19 virus. Some say there has never been an isolated virus period, and others say that Covid-19 has already mutated 40,000 times.

So please, out of all the sincerity I can muster, provide me the sanity that there really is a study showing isolation. Maybe JAMA or any trusted journal or periodical and I will study it and make as much sense of it as I can. Hopefully you can answer my honest questions about it as well. Thank you for your time.


53 posted on 11/28/2020 8:20:02 AM PST by ResponseAbility (-The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: central_va
Because one person dies on a carnival ride this doesn't make ALL carnival rides potentially deadly.

It kinda does, actually.


54 posted on 11/28/2020 8:27:51 AM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: ResponseAbility

Absolutely
I will find the reference. The literature search you want to do is novel corona virus and SARS - CoVID - 2

I am at work so will look at when I get home and freepmail you


55 posted on 11/28/2020 9:22:38 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Trouble065

It takes around 48 hours for ivermectin to show effect. But it is impressive when it does.


56 posted on 11/28/2020 9:23:44 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: impimp

Just like with Biden and his ‘unity’ BS, I’ve noticed that ‘we’re in this together’ applies only when we’re doing what the Left wants to do. Otherwise it’s ‘Resist, we much!’


57 posted on 11/28/2020 11:14:17 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: Mom MD
the propensity to blame the victim

If you limited your responses to medical issues, you might have more credibility.

58 posted on 11/28/2020 11:16:24 AM PST by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: gogeo

i have all the credibility I need I care not what others think. A benefit of getting old i suppose but thanks for your kind words


59 posted on 11/28/2020 11:36:47 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: gas_dr

Thank you very much. I am looking forward to your FR Mail.


60 posted on 11/29/2020 11:39:18 AM PST by ResponseAbility (-The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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