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"A Republic, madam, if you can keep it"
history | 11/17/20 | vanity for Franklin

Posted on 11/17/2020 9:06:21 AM PST by pabianice

What Franklin said long ago. He was wrong.


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1 posted on 11/17/2020 9:06:21 AM PST by pabianice
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How was he wrong? You can’t just leave it at that.


2 posted on 11/17/2020 9:07:41 AM PST by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: pabianice

I doubt Ben could have forseen the decline in our culture.


3 posted on 11/17/2020 9:07:53 AM PST by EvilCapitalist (We must FIGHT, I repeat it sir, we must FIGHT!)
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To: pabianice

He was on the money. Nothing wrong about that statement. He recognized that keeping it was the hard part.


4 posted on 11/17/2020 9:10:17 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: FormerFRLurker

> How was he wrong? You can’t just leave it at that. <

Franklin said “A Republic, madam...”. But maybe he was talking to a guy.


5 posted on 11/17/2020 9:11:44 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition)
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To: pabianice

He was absolutely correct. They did not foresee the abandonment of God.


6 posted on 11/17/2020 9:12:49 AM PST by madison10 (Re Biden: They knew he was a snake when they voted for him.)
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To: Leaning Right

I always thought he was talking to a woman who had just given birth and asked what she had. Meaning what sex was her newborn child.


7 posted on 11/17/2020 9:13:36 AM PST by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: madison10

Or Communist University Professors.


8 posted on 11/17/2020 9:14:10 AM PST by EvilCapitalist (We must FIGHT, I repeat it sir, we must FIGHT!)
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Franklin, like most educated, or self-educated, men of his time, would have been familiar with classical civilization, and the moral decline of Rome and Athens. He would also have been familiar with English history, and the sharp changes wrought by Henry VIII's split from the Roman Catholic Church, the radical changes of the Puritans that led to the English Civil War, the debauchery that followed the Stuart restoration, and the reemergence of Calvinism following the Glorious Revolution of 1688. The last event occurred during his father's lifetime and thus as recent as World War II is to the Baby Boomers.

Franklin was aware of the effects of radical changes to the body politic due to religious shifts.

9 posted on 11/17/2020 9:15:03 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: pabianice

I thought the OP meant, it turns out, we can’t keep it.


10 posted on 11/17/2020 9:15:42 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: madison10

OR: Privileged and unprincipled media.

OR: Big Labor thugs

OR: Vote buying, with ‘free stuff’ for illegal minorities


11 posted on 11/17/2020 9:16:05 AM PST by SMARTY ("Barbarism is the absence of standards to which an appeal can be made" Y Gasset)
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To: FormerFRLurker; pabianice

The National Center for Constitutional Studies web site includes several essays from a Bicentennial of the Constitution Year 1987 Volume Entitled, Our Ageless Constitution, all of which explain in the Framers own words, the ideas underlying the U. S. Constitution.

That Volume was published, specifically in honor of the Bicentennial of our amazing Constitution, for the purpose of adding context and background for citizens who wished to explore and better understand the Founders' ideas--as those were the ideas which explained the Constitution's specific limitations on powers "We, the People" would allow government to exercise.

We should remind ourselves it is those ideas which led the Framers to write and ratify that Constitution for a strictly-limited form of self-government for a free people.

12 posted on 11/17/2020 9:28:57 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: EvilCapitalist

I suspect he knew how it would end. Maybe we lasted longer than he anticipated.


13 posted on 11/17/2020 9:32:23 AM PST by cbvanb
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To: SMARTY

#3 isn’t just illegals, listen to today’s Glenn Beck show.


14 posted on 11/17/2020 9:36:51 AM PST by madison10 (Re Biden: They knew he was a snake when they voted for him.)
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To: FormerFRLurker

He was asked by a group of citizens if we had a republic or a monarchy.


15 posted on 11/17/2020 9:40:44 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Amy Coney Barrett)
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To: Leaning Right

Franklin said “A Republic, madam...”. But maybe he was talking to a guy.

You're assigning a pronoun to Franxlin and hence assuming their gender.

16 posted on 11/17/2020 9:40:55 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: FormerFRLurker

He was not wrong.


17 posted on 11/17/2020 9:41:34 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Amy Coney Barrett)
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To: madison10

Right-’free stuff’ is irresistible’ to some low education and anti establishment types.

It’s an element in our society that is growing and constantly demanding MORE and MORE.

I always say, “If you are throwing T-bone steaks at a 700 lb. Bengal tiger - do you honestly think he’ll go away?”


18 posted on 11/17/2020 9:45:10 AM PST by SMARTY ("Barbarism is the absence of standards to which an appeal can be made" Y Gasset)
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anti establishment types.

We are the anti establishment types now.

19 posted on 11/17/2020 9:48:04 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Ha - I wanted to be nice. I meant people from 3 and 4 generations who have never worked.


20 posted on 11/17/2020 10:02:12 AM PST by SMARTY ("Barbarism is the absence of standards to which an appeal can be made" Y Gasset)
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