Posted on 10/27/2020 1:49:21 PM PDT by tbw2
Bttt
Actually he’s got it backwards. Sticking to the source material means not varying. That’s how you die. Trek stuck to the source material through 10 movies of constantly dropping revenue. Abrams came in, threw all that out, and made more money in 3 movies than the rest of the series. The Star Wars “episodes” are heavily criticized for being basically remakes. While stand alone movies were creative and interesting.
The key is DON’T get trapped by the source material. Branch out.
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Because the folks writing and producing HATE America.
How can we promote conservative content, whether books or movies?
Well I watched during originally broadcast and found it to be terrible.. same thing with voyager. (The only interesting character was the Doctor and he wasn’t even a person... could have cared less if they ever made it home or not)
So anyway recently I decided to rewatch the Star Trek Series (all of them) I. Their entirety seeing if maybe been too harsh on them in my youthful exuberance when they originally aired.
After watching them all, I can say Enterprise was the bottom of the barrel... with Voyager not much about it.
I think Enterprise could have been something special, but like I said before they just screwed the pooch right out of the gate...
Yes, very interesting premise poorly executed by the writers.
Lately, I've gone back to watching TOS again. It still holds up.
The premise had promise and some of thr characters were interesting... but they effed it right out of thr gate. Instead of humanity’s taking its first steps amongst the stars. It introduces time travel right in episode 1...
Just killed it.
Branching out didn’t save Solo, though. And it sure as heck didn’t save Star Wars: Beyond from being a huge bomb. Heck, if anything, The Last Jedi was well known for throwing OUT continuity of the past films due to wanting to “subvert expectations”, and LOOK how that turned out.
Besides, speaking as someone who’s followed the Metal Gear games, constantly retconning your stories =/= a good story or even a profitable one. Peace Walker did exactly that, and it bombed outside Japan (I think Portable Ops did a far better job there despite being PSP), to such an extent that the Western covers for Ground Zeroes omitted Miller largely because Kojima and Konami thought people won’t bother recognizing a guy from a game that bombed. And don’t get me started on MGSV which followed The Last Jedi’s example of trying to throw out the past and caused a lot of negative reception.
Solo ran into a burnout problem, too much too soon. It’s a damn good movie but there’s a lot more to selling tickets than making a good movie. Star Trek Beyond made $343 million slightly less than the first Abrams, not a bomb by any stretch. Last Jedi did good stuff with the narrative, but then they threw it out.
It’s true throwing things away doesn’t automatically make something good. You still need to replace what you threw out with something good. But it often makes life easier. Large quantities of canon become a massive albatross. You can’t have this character here because there’s some other damn story that has him elsewhere. That’s a mine field. Last Jedi didn’t throw out the past, it just threw out bad tendencies. Which they then reinstated. One of the big mistakes of Star Wars was making Luke, Leia and Vader related. Every step of that shrunk the story. Then you have 3PO and R2 related to the beginning and there’s more shrinkage. Star Wars went from galactic in scope to a family drama with those decision. Making Rey unrelated was a great stroke, opened the story again. Then they pooped on that with the whole Palpatine thing. While Last Jedi had story issues what it did with the canon was good, gave the story room to breath. You just have to look at Mandolrian, one of the great parts about the story is how unaligned it is with the normal Star Wars narrative. Even with all the easter eggs and returning characters except for 3 minutes no freaking Skywalkers. It’s a galactic story.
True. What we now know makes Star Wars implausible, but I guess it's more fantasy than science fiction.
Of course, political correctness is a problem, but how far could you really go with the original material anyway?
There's a limit to how much the filmmakers can come up with, so they just make everything woke, multiracial and LGBTQ positive and feel like they are doing something original.
You nailed it, alright.
No, it ran into the fans being downright ticked with both The Last Jedi and the Lucasfilm guys constantly insulting them whenever they dared criticize them, resulting in massive boycotts. That, as well as the producers stupidly pulling a Bill Condon and outing Lando Calrissian as being pansexual in a very cheap attempt at scoring woke points and it massively backfiring.
Besides, the EU lasted for quite some time with LOADS of material since long before the Prequels, let alone the Disney Sale, lots of games, toys, books, comics, cartoons, etc., etc., and in fact, merchandising played a very key part of why Star Wars is even a massive phenomenon in the first place. That alone disqualifies the “burnout” bit, as fans would have been burnt out a LONG time ago had it truly been that. In fact, The Last Jedi was actually one of the major reasons why Toys R Us got bankrupt (that, and Roe v. Wade pretty much reducing the population to such an extent that kids simply weren’t viable anymore anyway, but The Last Jedi certainly didn’t help at all).
I don't know what to think of them even doing this. I ended up liking Game of Thrones, anyway - despite the divergence from the books. But this WoT adaptation sounds like it could be a gigantic disaster...
I don’t think most people cared about the Lando reveal, honestly it was already pretty obvious. And in a universe where you can have sex with aliens who really cares.
Keep in mind the math is very different for books and comics and video games than it is for movies. They need to make significantly lower sales to make money, and have a larger window. You sell 50 thousand copies of a book in the first week you’re doing gangbusters. 50 thousand tickets to a movie is a bomb for anything not arthouse. The EU was great cause it kept Star Wars alive, but there’s maybe 4 people on the planet who got ALL those books and games. Sporadic sales based on character, author, game type, are great for all those mediums. But for a movie you need 10s of millions, not 50 thousand here 50 thousand there.
Toys R Us went under cause they couldn’t compete. Between Target, that excels at the “Target exclusive” contract for all kinds of stuff including toys, and Amazon they just lost their market market. TRU stopped being the place to go for toys. If you were just entertaining your kids go to Amazon. If you’re some “keep it in the box” collector, you’re going to Target for their exclusive anyway, might as get the non-exclusive toys there.
Considering the press releases as well as the various complaints on here and elsewhere about the reveal, not to mention the leftist media practically slobbering with joy over the reveal, yes, actually, people DID care. Otherwise, why bother reporting it? And yes, that did in fact contribute to its bombing.
As far as the games and other stuff, bear in mind that a large part of the reason why Star Wars was a huge phenomenon was precisely BECAUSE George Lucas demanded exclusive merchandising rights after the first film was released, so you can thank merchandising, such as video games, toys, books, etc, etc. for why we even had a major franchise at all, and four people is not even close to enough to sustain a franchise at all, whether films or books or anything at all. If people truly got fatigued by it, sales would have dipped by the 1980s and 1990s, period, no exceptions. Besides, Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike was a huge dud that pretty much killed off Factor 5 alongside Lair. And in Japan at least, Pokemon, the one franchise that actually gave Star Wars a run for its money during its height, managed to also distribute Pokemon to movie theaters as promotional material. Namely, Mythical Pokemon, sometimes special Legendaries or in one case, a few Pikachu with Ash’s Cap on them.
As far as Toys R Us, they competed with Wal Mart which had something similar and survived (and I’d know, I got exclusive e-reader cards from Wal Mart for Super Mario Advance 4, including Airship’s Revenge, and still managed to shop at Toys R Us), not to mention also competed with various other stores regarding Pokemon distribution stuff as well and STILL survived (went there for Diamond and Pearl download promotional campaigns for Pokemon). If Toys R Us could survive all of that up until I think 2017, I’m definitely sure it would have survived Target and Amazon. Especially when it already was competing with Amazon since 1994 when it was founded.
You want to defend the woke leftist stuff, be my guest, but don’t bother lying and claiming you are conservative. Real conservatives do NOT like woke stuff by any stretch.
How many punches did Kirk throw?
Picard had two relationships that I can recall.
IF he'd destroyed the Borg at their first encounter the Federation and Alpha Quadrant would have been spared so much misery. He should have been court martialed for that alone.
It was like one quick press release. People here complain incessantly. Often times just based on their own assumptions. It wasn’t in the movie at all. Lando was flirty with almost everybody, but Lando’s always been very flirty.
No, SW wasn’t huge because George wanted exclusive merch rights. SW was huge and George demanding merch rights meant he made a ton of money. The books almost died. For the first decade of them they were not canon and kinda crappy (like most media tie ins). Del Ray (I think they were the guys with the contract) were going to let it lapse. Then one guy got a great idea: let’s get the bible from George, hire good writers, and make stories that are canon. Thus the Heir to the Empire trilogy was born and the SW media empire with it. And media tie ins changed forever. Sales DID dip in the 80s.
Problem for TRU is they had ONE product, toys. WM can “lose” the toy battle and be fine cause they sell every other cheap thing on the planet. As soon as TRU stopped being the place to go for toys they were a dead company walking.
I’m not defending anything. I’m pointing out that you’re wrong. I ain’t lying. I’m giving you the facts. And your need to get personal shows you know the facts don’t back you.
It will be pretty.
It will be scifi/fantasy.
It may very well be a well produced show.
But it won’t be the “Wheel of Time” for me.
Just some woke knock-off of something better.
It’s not just one press release, it was several. And being flirty =/= being pansexual. Pansexual is another term for bisexual (well, technically omnisexual, but still), while the most we got out of Lando in the actual film he debuted in was he was a ladies man, which again, points to him being straight, not gay, not bi, not pan or anything like that. And use your head, if that’s being pan, then I guess JRR Tolkien was pushing pansexuality in Lord of the Rings despite it not even EXISTING at the time, not by name anyways.
As far as Star Wars, the merchandising rights were a large part of the reason why it became such a huge phenomenon. If he didn’t do that, the film would have been big that summer, but then proceed to fade out like every movie before then. Plus, as far as the books, they also had cartoons, comics, toys, and all of that stuff which actually managed to sell very strongly. And several of those books were actually canonized before then. In fact, Splinter of the Mind’s Eye was an initial attempt at a sequel in the event that Star Wars bombed. And if they dipped, the whole thing would have cancelled overnight. I’ve seen shows and movies get cancelled just from dipping, so I’d know.
TRU actually had two products: Toys and games. If we count massive sales for The Little Mermaid around 2008, they’ve even done paraphenelia such as binders as well, so it’s three stuff. And believe me, if Toys R Us truly stopped being the place to get toys, it would have died out a LONG time ago like during the 1990s when Walmart was entering the fray (and I’d know: Zany Brainy died in large part because of Walmart driving them out of business).
And actually, you ARE defending the crappy sequel trilogy. I’ve had to deal with the exact same arguments you made defending them from various people who also just so happen to be huge SJWs, many times even “centrists” who are more like closet leftists. I’ve nearly been brainwashed by leftists constantly by college, school, and even media, so I can recognize it when I see it. And as far as “giving me the facts”, you’re giving me propaganda. Even Walter Lippmann claimed he was “giving the facts”, yet even he admitted he was actually giving propaganda in Public Opinion.
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