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On this date in 1862

Posted on 09/22/2020 5:46:35 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

President Abraham Lincoln publically proclaims "That on the first day of January in the year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free"


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1 posted on 09/22/2020 5:46:35 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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It’s interesting, that the Proclamation “freed” all the slaves in States the Union had no control over, but left existing slavery totally alone in the States the Yankees controlled and in which they could actually do something about.


2 posted on 09/22/2020 5:53:20 AM PDT by oldplayer
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Actually, the Union did hold some territory in Confederate lands that this applied to.


3 posted on 09/22/2020 5:58:49 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The only thing worse than COVID-19 is Biden-20!)
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Dear Alas,
Of course there was territory and parts of States that were controlled by the Yankees. But the Proclamation was about States, not territory, conquered or not.


4 posted on 09/22/2020 6:29:45 AM PDT by oldplayer
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As a Southernor, I respect the soldiers who fought for the Lost Cause, but I’m not proud of slavery. I never owned slaves, so I don’t feel guilty, either.

But I have to hold on to the facts of history, and the Emancipation Proclamation did indeed apply to slaves in Confederate States that the Yankees controlled, even if only in part.

The Tyrant of New Orleans, Gen Ben Butler (spit), for example, freed slaves in all the city and environs.


5 posted on 09/22/2020 6:46:36 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The only thing worse than COVID-19 is Biden-20!)
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not quite so. The proclamation exempts the slaves in 13 Parishes of LA, the Tidewater area of VA, parts of coastal NC, SC & GA and a big part of TN. These areas were under control of the Union Army as of 1 Jan 1863.


6 posted on 09/22/2020 6:57:18 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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Even back then, liberals gave lots of mileage to a cynical, political move with lots of caveats.


7 posted on 09/22/2020 7:00:48 AM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: Bull Snipe

Even Connecticut?

==8-O


8 posted on 09/22/2020 7:02:57 AM PDT by Does so (Kyle RITTENHOUSE neutralized three FELONS! ("Lefty" included).)
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To: Bull Snipe

Yes. Free. Call it Emancipation, but it is freedom. And the 618,220 war deaths? Well, those are your damned reparations.


9 posted on 09/22/2020 7:21:36 AM PDT by StAntKnee (Add your own danged sarc tag)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“Actually, the Union did hold some territory in Confederate lands that this applied to.”

That is quite misleading. Your map shows a very small amount of land held by the Union. Lincoln’s proclamation had no impact on the overwhelming majority of land in the south. In 1962 that was the vast amount of land that was not affected by his proclamation.

It was a purely political move on the part of the tyrant Lincoln as was the Emancipation Proclamation which had no impact on the states that seceded. So, if slavery was so important to Lincoln why did he wait three years after the war began to issue the proclamation? I know. A political stunt!

The victors get to write history, so that is their story. By the way, the mood of the nation is not much different today — except slavery is not the issue, although its cousin, BLM is. Who really knows how this election and the aftermath will turn out? One thing is certain, the story will carry the slant of the winner.


10 posted on 09/22/2020 8:07:39 AM PDT by icclearly
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Goodness sake, that map is NOT quite misleading. It doesn't negate what I said, which was “hold some territory”.

The Emancipation Proclamation went into effect in late 1862. By 1863, Union gains are shown in the map below:

I didn't say the North had whole Southern states occupied.

The real reason for the Emancipation Proclamation was to force public opinion in the UK and France to oppose their government's intervention on the Confederate side.

But, yes, it is a fact of history, that as the Union conquered lands from the Southern states, they freed those slaves, even before the 13 and 14 amendments. It's not something you need to get about with me.

11 posted on 09/22/2020 9:17:44 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The only thing worse than COVID-19 is Biden-20!)
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12 posted on 09/22/2020 9:25:08 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The only thing worse than COVID-19 is Biden-20!)
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