Posted on 08/08/2020 9:47:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Look up “Operation Downfall,” “Operation Olympic,” and “Operation Coronet.” These were the invasion plans for Japan.
American casualty estimates were staggering.
Americans were becoming war-weary. The carnage on Okinawa was a foretaste of what our troops would suffer on the mainland.
Yes, all these things were known before Hiroshima / Nagasaki.
That is what I had thought, but apparently head of the Manhattan Project Major General Leslie R. Grove claimed they would have had a 3rd ready by 8/24, and then they could further produce 3 a month for September and October.
These kits were the equipment for 3 airbases. runways, offices, equipment for the atomic bombs’, office equipment. The whole kit and caboodle.
One was assembled in the sw usa for a testing. One was assembled in in the pacific. the third was held in reserve.
By that point in time the Japanese government had mobilized the entire population to participate in the defense of the home islands, using farm implements if necessary. Houses had been converted into arms factories. Furthermore, warnings were issued prior to the bombing for populations to evacuate major cities.
In addition, both cities were legitimate military targets as they housed both military factories and large army groups.
Your arguments are simplistic, childish, and predicated on assumptions that don’t stand up to factual analysis or middle-school logic.
My response to you can be found in my post number 83.
Most wanna-be moralists pretend that a much higher casualty level from, conventional bombs, 50 cal rounds, small arms fire, hand grenades, napalm, etc... is somehow preferred....
I’m sure there were plenty of invasion plans drawn up. None of that means any of them were necessary, or even practical. Doesn’t the Pentagon have scenarios in place for an invasion of Canada?
My father in law, who was an E-7, was based on Tinian with the USAAF, he said he never lost any sleep over it. It meant he was finally going home. 2 bombs were enough to convince them it was over. Taking their homeland would be like taking the whole PTO all over again.
You ACTUALLY believe the invasion would not have taken place?
That’s a negatory there, rubber duck.
CC
Kind of like the United States at the time — right? Or Switzerland today. Or any other country where civilians give enough of a sh!t about themselves to defend their homes against a hostile invasion. Imagine that.
Sounds to me as if an invasion of Japan probably would have been a bad idea.
The other posts on this thread detailing the production schedule of additional atomic bombs suggests that the U.S. government likely had no intention of invading Japan at all.
Actually there was a third device in transit when the war ended. But other than that device you are correct.
CC
Operation Downfall which consisted of Operation(s) Olympic & Coronet was more then just a map exercise !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
No. Next question, please.
Thank you—excellent.
The ONE concept (among many in re: saving of lives) that is NEVER mentioned by the relative moralist types— is that the leadership (the TOJO militarists, who controlled the Emperor) was never going to stop fighting. Enlisting millions to defend the home islands against the planned Allied invasion, would have resulted in millions of Japanese (military and civilians) killed. Killed from firebombing, saturation bombing with conventional bombs, and the destruction of factories with their known chemical contents creating a maelstrom of explosive burning fuel/air type destruction.
Millions of Japanese lives were saved by the 2 atomic bomb attacks. 2 attacks which were needed to shove the Tojo leadership off their idiotic bushido creed and suicidal traits-— to organize capitulation.
But here’s the real rub: the facts surrounding the Emperor’s recorded and broadcast instructions to the Empire via radio— were almost eliminated. The Emperor’s First Imperial Guards Division leader was murdered by members of the Imperial Guard and the Staff Officers of Ministry of War-— in order to invade the Imperial Palace and place Emperor Hirohito under arrest and occupy the Imperial Palace!
They were unsuccessful in convincing the Eastern District Army of Japan to go with them-— and they all committed suicide. It all failed and the Emperor made his announcement over the entire Empire/military radio system (the first time most Japanese had ever heard the Emperors voice).
This demonstrates how fanatic the resistance would have been, and was in place-— such that they Tojo loons would have arrested the Emperor.
The atomic bombs saved Japanese and Allied/American lives to the tune of several million potentially senseless slaughter.
These plans were presented to President Truman before he made the decision to use atomic bombs.
An alternative was to simply blockade Japan and starve them into submission.
Russia pledged to declare war on Japan at the Potsdam meeting. Their intentions were to occupy Japan as soon as possible. Given their behavior in Germany, Truman was wary of another East-West scenario. A starving Japan would provide a soft target for Stalin. President Truman wanted to end the war by unconditional surrender (per the Potsdam Declaration) as quickly as possible to prevent Russian occupation.
Read “Downfall, the End of the Imperial Japanese Empire” by Richard B. Frank. It provides minute details about the last few months of the war in Japan.
Please be aware that everything I’ve posted is based on my opinions based on facts known before 8/8/45. Key word: Opinion.
Yeah, this ‘enlightened’ dork can ask this question because he’s 75 years removed from stepping off the Higgins boat.
Uh, no.
Actually, no not like the US. Our government did not impress every civilian to become part of an armed military force. But if they had I guess you’ll agree they would have no longer been civilians.
It was a race to get it before the Nazis.
Some have suggested we only dropped the bomb on Japan because they were not white. Nonsense.
IF Germany had not surrendered there's no doubt we'd dropped the bomb on any German city that hadn't already been bombed by Bomber Command or the Eighth Air Force.
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